Rumor: Dunkin’ Donuts coming to the West End? (UPDATED – w/ a drive-thru?)

UPDATED: Ok, just got a tip that the Dunkin’ Donuts in Question wants the old beverage space because there will be room for a drive-thru. If this is true, I am not so sure just how it will fit with the downtown character of the West End. It could make a dangerous situation with pedestrians and cyclists. That’s just my opinion.

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There are two types of people in this world: those who love franchises and those who don’t. ‘Franchise vs Resident’ wars are nothing new to the West End of Long Beach. After all, some of you were fighting Jake’s Wayback Burgers back in April with issues of  “lower home values and (will) hurt the small-town character of the West End.” (Read the full article @ LB HERALD – Residents oppose West End eatery.) Not to mention the fear of more franchises to follow. Well, a new franchise is knocking on the West End’s door and that’s Dunkin’ Donuts. Scott, a resident of the Long Beach, tells me this was discussed at great length after the candates forum at yesterday’s West End Neightbors. Scott adds:

DD is trying to buy/rent the old beer distributor and petitions are going around to try and stop this. Many residents oppose it because it may put mom and pop shops out of biz and dont want a chain/franchise store in the West End. Personally I think it takes away the character of the West End and really dont want to see it. Hoping you could help get the word out.

Apparently a petition is going around to stop the franchise from coming. I want to get some feedback from you West Enders – Dunkin’ Donuts: Yay or nay?

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44 thoughts on “Rumor: Dunkin’ Donuts coming to the West End? (UPDATED – w/ a drive-thru?)”

  1. Booooooooo chains!! While I do love me some DD, it doesn’t belong in West End. While the terms, and more importantly, the meanings of words such as “neighborhood” and “community” are going the way of the commodore 64 across Long Island, it is alive and well in the West End.

    I love the fact that I know the owners and employees of all the shops and eateries. The owners (for the most part) live amongst us and are Long Beachers through and through.

    To bring in these type of places just turns us into Anytown, Long Island… and ultimately it will turn into the exact reason why we choose to live in LB instead of the rest of this god-for-saken island.

    I’d rather get my morning coffee and bagel across the street at Beach Bagel.

    Just my 2-cents. What do I know!?

  2. Every DD is a franchise, unlike Starbucks in which every one is chosen and managed by corporate. How do we know the potential owner is not a west end resident themselves? Would that make people happier? I don’t see an issue with someone using the DD name to help their business take off and sell a product people love!

    They also have the best coffee and are usually open late unlike anything else in this town. (Still can’t believe we don’t have a 24-hour diner, year-round!)

  3. I thought Coffee Nut would have opened a west end location by now… maybe that would keep the potential new DD from coming in. Maybe the Coffee Nut can go in with the Panini’s n Bikini’s expansion!

  4. Is there a ‘Coffee Nut’ chain? or do you mean Chock Full of Nuts? Either way, I am surprised an independent Coffee place didn’t already exist in the West End. Anybody want to go into business with me?

  5. I meant the Coffee Nut Cafe located on Park Ave across from Mobil. It’s a small business, not a chain, but I don’t think the owner lives in LB.

  6. I love dunkin’ coffee as much as the next gal. I don’t want it here for a few reasons:

    1) At a west end neighbors meeting a few months back, residents were discussing concerns about opening up wayback burgers. One resident specifically brought up the fact that it was chain, and then dunkin donuts had been trying to open in our neighborhood for years. The reason they couldn’t? The city said no chains in the west end. The resident asked if we allow one, what’s to stop others, like dunkin donuts, from opening? We were assured that would NOT happen–with dunkin donuts as the example. I don’t like being lied to, and I don’t like the way the city does whatever it wants like we’re spoiled children they humor and roll their eyes at. What’s next? A gas station? 7-11? I love the small-town community feel of our neighborhood. I think it’s one of the best aspects of Long Beach and I don’t want to lose that.

    2) There’s enough traffic here. God forbid that place has a drive-through. Going down Beech St. will stink, even MORE in summer.

    3) There is a bagel shop TWO blocks away. It’s great. They treat their customers wonderfully. Every morning when I go in, Angie goes to the deli counter and gets a bagel for my 18-month-old son to much on while we wait in line–no charge. That place will be gone in a matter of months without the booming breakfast business they do. Forget paninis. I don’t think our neighborhood has reached the point where the majority of residents will choose a higher-priced cuppa joe just because they like it better (if most do…Dunkin has GREAT coffee). With the rents and taxes the small businesses pay, they cannot afford to compete with something like Dunkin. There goes any small-town flavor, any identity our neighborhood had.

    I guess my point is that it’s not JUST Dunkin’ donuts I object to. It’s the consequences of allowing it to open up here that I don’t like. Sorry for the rant, but I feel pretty strongly about it.

  7. Fair enough… but the city has already allowed Jake’s and crossed that line. If I was DD and was not allowed to open a shop in the West End I would be suing the city…

  8. I enjoy DD coffee but you have to think of the consequences of opening a Dunkin Donuts in the West End. And I am not saying all of these will happen but they could..

    1. Undesirables loitering in and around the store for all hours (DD is usually open pretty late and their coffee/ donuts are cheap, attracting that sort of crowd).

    2. Small businesses going under due to DD. More empty storefronts, which causes…

    3. More franchises coming to the West End. How about a McDonalds taking over the Ballybannon property, then a 7-Eleven taking over the ice cream store. Next we could have a check cash place and a liquor store with window service(bulletproof) only. Is that the direction you want to go ?

    4. If these franchises continue to move into the West End, we might as well be anytown USA and I believe we are much more than that. I love that I can go into certain stores and the owners/ workers know my name and what I want. We wont have that when 7 eleven moves in, which is probably next.

    5. If we continue to be complacent and let whatever business that can pay the taxes move into the West End we will not recognize this great neighborhood in 10 years. i believe the city needs to give some kind of tax break/incentive for new businesses in these empty stores and give priority to local residents who have a stake in their community.

  9. Paninis and Bikinis has amazing coffee and such a great local feel. Everyone is friendly towards each other and smiles at each other in that store because we are all neighbors for the most part. It definitely has a “local” feel to it. Every time I bring someone from out of town therE they say they wish they had a store like that near them. WHY RUIN THAT LUCKY TO BE IN LB FEEL BY THROWING IN A DD?!?!

  10. What everyone is missing here is that if Dunkin Donuts wants to move into that specific property the City can’t stop them. They wouldn’t have to appear before the zoning board. The property is big enough and there is plenty of off street parking. It is unstoppable.

  11. Actually, maybe I’m wrong but don’t they need at least 40 parking spots for a fast-food establishment? They don’t have that. Maybe they have 20. For that, they would need a variance and would need to appear before the zoning board.

    And really…let’s not pretend that the “City” is so helpless in the face of dunkin’ donuts. If they wanted to do something about it, they could find a way. Which perhaps they would, if enough people were against it.

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  13. You are def wrong. There is no specific number of spots because it’s a fast food establishment. The number of spots is determined by the occupancy and they would have plenty of room since the occupancy of a DD is not very high.

  14. The West End Neighbors created TWO online polls. One was emailed only to our members (residents of the West End) and the other poll (on our website) is for the general public. Therefore, the WENCA Board will rely on the West End Neighbors Online Poll and the written petitions with West End addresses – as alluded to on the website – moreso than the general public online poll when presenting at the Nov 1st City Council meeting. Hope this helps.

  15. DD does not fit in with the west end. There are too many good places that would lose business that are good to our community and have pride in what they do. We should also put more pressure on the local businesses that are already in the west end that have no pride in their appearance. Some neighbors who rent homes have no pride in who is living there and do not care that the home is in poor condition and run down. Most people I know that visit long beach always say that they are surprised that there are so many run down buildings by the beach that look like projects. Some of our local businesses do not help this either! They need to shape up! We do not even have a decent grocery store in the west end, c town is not very appealing and waldbaums is awful not to mention being harrassed when you walk in the parking lot.(not a great first impression for visitors off the LIRR) We live in a great community by the beach and most of us care. we need to put pressure on those who do not. thank you to all of the great neighbors out there.

  16. If you want a Dunkin Donuts in the West End, you should probably state your reasons for why instead of attacking the reasons for why we shouldnt. Would you like to have a McDonalds and 7 Eleven as well ?? Where does it stop ? C town is chain, buts its been here for years and we need a supermarket here, regardless of how bad it is. Theres nothing we can do about C town, there may be something we can do about DD.

  17. Agreed, local businesses should step up and take pride in their stores. I wish everyone, homeowners and business owners alike would show more pride in this great town.

  18. I couldn’t care less.
    I’d rather see some QUALITY restaurants move in to Long Beach. Yes we do have a lot of restaurants, but we don’t really have Good, Upscale and QUALITY ones. Some that we could dress up on a Saturday night to go out to as they have on the North Shore.
    We have one or two god ones but you can go there on a Saturday night and fine the person next to you in a bathing suit and flip flops if your lucky and don’t have them barefoot.
    We need a good Steak House as they have in Great Neck, Glen Cove, or in Roslyn, and one or two real good Italian’s other than the local pizza joints.

  19. As a West End resident my entire life I would like to address some of the arguments people are making against DD opening, particularly #1

    S3711 writes:
    “1. Undesirables loitering in and around the store for all hours (DD is usually open pretty late and their coffee/ donuts are cheap, attracting that sort of crowd)” Beach Bagel is open 24 hours and ALWAYS has loitering, mainly by teenagers on skateboards, looking for someone to buy them cigarettes and beer,I know because my friends and I use to be these kids

    “2. Small businesses going under due to DD. More empty storefronts, which causes…” Which causes other business to move in & try there hand at succeeding. You have no evidence that Georgia Coffee shop, Ballybanon, Paninis, etc are going to suffer. Plus, DD is a donut shop, last I checked we didnt have one of those, small business or chain, in the West End, so I don’t see how your argument holds water here.

    “3. More franchises coming to the West End. How about a McDonalds taking over the Ballybannon property, then a 7-Eleven taking over the ice cream store. Next we could have a check cash place and a liquor store with window service(bulletproof) only. Is that the direction you want to go ?” Ill say it again like many before me, C-Town is a FRANCHISE! You cant pick and choose which franchises you want because its convenient for you. Also, the West End already has 2 liquor stores and, a new HUGE beer distributor. None have bulletproof glass and they never will because we dont live in the ghetto. And dont try to make the argument that if we open a DD were headed towards becoming a ghetto b/c donuts dont bring about ghetto life, drugs do, and we all know that you can buy plenty of cocain in the NUMEROUS bars open in the west end.

    “4. If these franchises continue to move into the West End, we might as well be anytown USA and I believe we are much more than that. I love that I can go into certain stores and the owners/ workers know my name and what I want. We wont have that when 7 eleven moves in, which is probably next.” If their is a neighborhood DD, that you go into everyday, why cant you know the names of the workers there? This statement is just a personal feeling of not wanting to connect with people based on the fact that DD is a franchise and not a small business. Are you really telling me you cant remember the names of the workers there and be just as friendly with them?! I feel bad for you then, you may be missing out on an interesting person.

    “5. If we continue to be complacent and let whatever business that can pay the taxes move into the West End we will not recognize this great neighborhood in 10 years. i believe the city needs to give some kind of tax break/incentive for new businesses in these empty stores and give priority to local residents who have a stake in their community.” Shines, Bahi Social Club, Beach House, Trainors, Whales Tale, The Inn, Minnesotas, Saloon, Speakeasy, Cabana. 10 bars that were allowed to be built within 1 mile. Is this the great neighborhood you want to recognize? Not to mention, gasp, they are all in competition with eachother, but you dont seem to find a problem with that do you?!

    With at least 10 bars in a 1 mile strip don’t feed me the bs lines that DD is going to squash the competition. If competition was a problem you wouldn’t have 10 bars within 1 mile!

  20. Response to tell it like it is…my responses are capitalized only to distinguish from his/her comments…

    Tell_It_Like_It_Is on Tuesday, November 8th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
    As a West End resident my entire life I would like to address some of the arguments people are making against DD opening, particularly #1

    S3711 writes:
    “1. Undesirables loitering in and around the store for all hours (DD is usually open pretty late and their coffee/ donuts are cheap, attracting that sort of crowd)” Beach Bagel is open 24 hours and ALWAYS has loitering, mainly by teenagers on skateboards, looking for someone to buy them cigarettes and beer,I know because my friends and I use to be these kids

    SO SINCE BEACH BAGEL HAS A LOITERING PROBLEM THEN ITS OK FOR DD TO HAVE ONE TOO ?? HOLDS NO WATER AT ALL.

    “2. Small businesses going under due to DD. More empty storefronts, which causes…” Which causes other business to move in & try there hand at succeeding. You have no evidence that Georgia Coffee shop, Ballybanon, Paninis, etc are going to suffer. Plus, DD is a donut shop, last I checked we didnt have one of those, small business or chain, in the West End, so I don’t see how your argument holds water here.

    CORRECT, I HAVE NO EVIDENCE BUT I KNOW THE POPULARITY OF CHAIN STORES. PEOPLE KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT FROM THEM AND IF UNFAMILIAR WITH THE OTHER STORES WILL GO TO DD INSTEAD. ITS HAPPENED IN TOWNS ALL OVER THE USA.

    “3. More franchises coming to the West End. How about a McDonalds taking over the Ballybannon property, then a 7-Eleven taking over the ice cream store. Next we could have a check cash place and a liquor store with window service(bulletproof) only. Is that the direction you want to go ?” Ill say it again like many before me, C-Town is a FRANCHISE! You cant pick and choose which franchises you want because its convenient for you. Also, the West End already has 2 liquor stores and, a new HUGE beer distributor. None have bulletproof glass and they never will because we dont live in the ghetto. And dont try to make the argument that if we open a DD were headed towards becoming a ghetto b/c donuts dont bring about ghetto life, drugs do, and we all know that you can buy plenty of cocain in the NUMEROUS bars open in the west end.

    NOT SURE WHY THE NUMEROUS BARS IN THE WEST END COME INTO PLAY IN THIS ARGUMENT. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM REPLACED BY GREAT RESTAURANTS THAT ATTRACT A BETTER CROWD THAN SOME OF THESE BARS DO. IN REGARDS TO THE C TOWN FRANCHISE, WE NEED A LOCAL SUPERMARKET TO PURCHASE OUR LAST MINUTE GROCERIES. I WOULD LOVE IT IF SOMEONE BOUGHT IT OUT AND MADE IT CLEANER, CHEAPER, BETTER BUT NOT SURE THATS GOING TO HAPPEN.

    “4. If these franchises continue to move into the West End, we might as well be anytown USA and I believe we are much more than that. I love that I can go into certain stores and the owners/ workers know my name and what I want. We wont have that when 7 eleven moves in, which is probably next.” If their is a neighborhood DD, that you go into everyday, why cant you know the names of the workers there? This statement is just a personal feeling of not wanting to connect with people based on the fact that DD is a franchise and not a small business. Are you really telling me you cant remember the names of the workers there and be just as friendly with them?! I feel bad for you then, you may be missing out on an interesting person.

    THIS COMMENT HAD MORE TO DO WITH WEST END RESIDENTS WORKING AT THE PLACES I FREQUENT. MORE THAN LIKELY DD EMPLOYEES WOULD COME FROM OTHER AREAS AND NOT CARE ABOUT THE WEST END LIKE A RESIDENT WOULD.

    “5. If we continue to be complacent and let whatever business that can pay the taxes move into the West End we will not recognize this great neighborhood in 10 years. i believe the city needs to give some kind of tax break/incentive for new businesses in these empty stores and give priority to local residents who have a stake in their community.” Shines, Bahi Social Club, Beach House, Trainors, Whales Tale, The Inn, Minnesotas, Saloon, Speakeasy, Cabana. 10 bars that were allowed to be built within 1 mile. Is this the great neighborhood you want to recognize? Not to mention, gasp, they are all in competition with eachother, but you dont seem to find a problem with that do you?!

    With at least 10 bars in a 1 mile strip don’t feed me the bs lines that DD is going to squash the competition. If competition was a problem you wouldn’t

    I AM WITH YOU ON THIS, I WOULD LOVE IT IF WE COULD GET RID OF SOME OF THE BAR SCENE IN THE WEST END. IT WOULD STOP A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE, ESPECIALLY DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS.

  21. Unless I’m misunderstanding your arguments, it seems like they are mostly the same: there are already a lot of bars that crap up the town, and kids already loiter at another place. There’s already a C-Town and that’s a chain. So why try to make anything better?

    As for closed storefronts offering more opportunities for small businesses, take a look around the West End. There’s a whole lot of closed storefronts, and it’s already tough for small businesses. Having chains that can afford to sell things more cheaply will not bring about healthy competition, it will bring about more stores closing.

    People here and elsewhere have commented that it’s those who have lived here forever that have no vision for what the West End could be. You’re kind of proving that point. My great grandparents owned a home here. I’m all for making this community the best, and closest-knit, it can possibly be.

  22. Hello fellow lovers of Long Beach,
    I am the owner of Beach Bagel & Deli. I built Beach Bagel 20 years ago after purchasing it as a deli known as Milk and More back then. Time flies and I am proud to be a part of the West End all of these years. Yes, we have kids on skateboards that quite often spend to much time outside of my store. I love watching those same young kids change into mature young men and women who go on to become responsible grown ups over the years. I have been through the hurricanes, nor easters and worst of all 9/11. We had a sobering memorial back then with our neighbors. I am an American born and bred. Naturally, I would prefer not to have DD come but I am confident in the quality of my Bagels, coffee, deli and baked goods and my employees and I am prepared for any competition. We just renovated the entire outside of the building and added an indoor seating area and are adding an outside patio this spring. If there are folks out there that rather purchase a microwaved egg sandwich on a piece of bread that DD calls a bagel rather then my hand rolled bagels baked in my stone lined oven and my made on premises salads, hot foods, breakfasts etc. I will be surprised. By the way, I now carry fresh donuts that are twice the size and blow away DD’s donuts. Just saying…. We can agree to disagree, as long as we agree that Long Beach is a great one of a kind town.

  23. Personally, I can’t believe Dunkin Donuts would want to be there, but that is a separate issue. High rents? Taxes? Franchise fees? No parking? Next to no “passing-through” traffic? Decisions that drive away tourists? Sign me up!

    Dunkin Donuts isn’t that good; people go there for convenience. Their bagels are beyond mediocre, their sandwiches taste terrible and they are not really that inexpensive.

    Is there anyone on the planet that would choose there microwaved egg patty sandwich over something from Beach Bagel or C&C (or whatever its called these days)? This is who you think is going to drive businesses out?

    But you’re right. The West End is perfect. Let’s preserve the character of a community with one-24 hour, cash only business, on the edge of the town, an abundance of pizza places, delis and bars, and one (Swingbellys) good restaurant.

    There is not a single item that ever gets brought-up about changing something in LB that isn’t greeted with a resounding-chorus of “No.”

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