Do You Want Parking Meters in Long Beach? [POLL]

Do You Want Parking Meters in Long Beach? [POLL]

Ok, I’m going to keep this simple. I don’t exactly know the pros and cons of parking meters, but there is a chance we might get them. Here are the places in Long Beach these meters could go: Park Avenue (commercial district), Beech Street, Shore Road & Broadway.

So here are your choices:

  • YES
  • NO
  • YES. but only if I can get a Residential Parking Sticker that allows me to park for free. (AKA, meters are for non-residents only)

Please leave your comments on how you vote.

Note: Parking Meters will be the general term for any paid parking system: coin meters, electronic ticket kiosks, etc.

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52 thoughts on “Do You Want Parking Meters in Long Beach? [POLL]

  1. I will, with 100% certainty, move out of Long Beach if I have to deal w/ parking meters as a resident.

    It’s bad enough trying to find a spot on nights/weekends, but at least I don’t have to run out and feed a meter once I’m parked.

  2. Pros:
    Could boost revenue (but odds are the way LB politics go, they’ll overpay for the meters and hire 20 new people to do something meter related at 80 grand a year and never make any money off of the meters)

    Less congestion (if people stop coming to avoid paying- but that will hurt businesses)

    Cons:
    In the West End, non-residents would flood the state streets to avoid paying the meter. Good luck ever parking near your home/apartment. And what happens in the summer; can we still only park 2 hours at a time on W Beech?

    Are people really going to have to leave the beach to throw quarters in a meter every two hours? Idk, I find that, unless you live here, LB’s beaches are already a nuisance between parking and $12 a person to get on.

    On any of the nights that the volleyball leagues play are people going to have to leave the court to put money in a meter?

    In the East End non-residents will avoid parking on Broadway and flood residential blocks; not that they don’t know, but it will be worse.

    ***

    I don’t know- odds are it’ll just be a new nuisance and make livin’ at the beach anything but the cathartic experience promised by Corona ads…

  3. The truth is, I think people would LOVE to pay for parking if it meant they could do so easily and hassle free. Unfortunately, that’s not what meters add.

  4. Just as a point I will tell you that I no longer shop or eat in RVC because of their meters…even when you pay you get a ticket. F RVC!

  5. Hey LB… I haven’t logged in often (just come and check out the site a couple of times a week), but I felt I had to post on this.

    rich – I was going to make that same point, well said.

    Meters for parking in LB is a terrible idea. The place is a black hole to begin with (no one ever wants to come and no one that lives here ever wants to leave) and I am moving out (unfortunately, bought a house in Bellmore). Everyone I know lives in LB and I will be coming back on the regular and staying over at people’s places, etc.

    If there are meters and resident parking and all of this other non-sense it will make it a nightmare, but truly it means I pay a $50 (or so) tax for staying over in LB for the night. Hopefully they won’t get tow-truck happy and make it even more painful.

  6. You’re just going to hurt local businesses.

    Parking is only a major issue in the West End, which is IMO a horrible white trash neighborhood to begin with.

  7. Additional revenue from parking meters won’t solve the city’s financial problems. If you want to stop the massive revenue short-falls, you need to clean up the ridiculous amount of political graft.

  8. Every study I’ve ever read shows that parking meters increase business.

    more frequent turnover = more free spots = more shoppers

    That said, and for all the reasons cited above, parking meters won’t work if implemented in a vacuum. We need 1) a big, beautiful 3-4 story parking garage in the west end (on the current catholic school play yard?), 2) resident parking stickers/passes, 3) resident-only parking on the state streets in the west end, and 4) increased trolley or bus service throughout the city.

    All this said, I’m really only for it because I want to see allisonb follow up on her above stated promise 😉

  9. I’ve seen just as many studies that suggest that parking meters don’t do anything except annoy the general public and discourage visitors.

    Turn 50% of the parking on the state streets into resident-only parking and build a parking garage to accomodate visitors.

    But whatever, the best thing you can do to avoid this terrible quality of life issues in the West End is to avoid living there. To live there is to completely accept them, just like when someone decides to move to Manhattan or lives in Hong Kong. The place is overbuilt and was built the wrong way, would never be allowed to be planned and constructed this way today, and will probably stay this way until it gets a direct hit from a hurricane at some point in the future.

  10. Not for nothing, John Kay, but just because the west end isn’t your thing doesn’t mean that people actually like it. Fact of the matter is, I was lured back to LI for a job and Long Beach was one of only two places I would move to….specifically for the quality of life that the west end offers. I want to be able to walk to food, walk to friends, walk to a beach, walk to the hardware store or even walk to get a drink.

    it might surprise you, but to many folks, a white picket fence with a huge house on street where you need to drive everywhere is just as much of a nightmare as you envision the west end.

    ease up a little bit on the trashing of the community I call home. I, along with a ton of other people, friggin love it here. please respect our choice and way of life. we’ll do the same for you.

  11. Been there, done that:

    In the 1950’s LB Political Boss Phil Kohut took a $10,000 bribe from The Duncan Parking meter Company and the City of LB bought parking meters. All of the reasons then given are the same reasons being given now for installing them. Kohut wound up in Federal Prison for his part in this fiasco.

    Parking meters were installed throughout the Park Avenue business district, down the center of Broadway and on many of the side streets off Park Avenue where there were stores.

    The result was people voted with their feet and autos. The shopped in Island Park, Oceanside, Merrick, Roosevelt Field, you name it–they went anywhere there were no parking meters. That was the start of the great decline in Long Beach. Park Avenue became a ghost town. The Conversion of all of the hotels into homes for the nursing of the elderly, and released mental patients followed–the entire center of LB turned into a slum, from which it didn’t recover till the 1980’s

    The only ones that profited except the politicians was the guy who emptied the meters.

    Anyone that doubts what I say please talk to the old timers who lived here in those days–you can learn a lot from them.

  12. I lol’d at your comment.

    I have multiple degrees, work in higher education, have a successful internet business, been published several times over, run marathons and 100 mile bike tours for charity, currently writing a book, and I live in the West End- i guess that’s where my White Trash comes in. I did consider watching Nascar once.

  13. John you and I moved here because we’re white trash. Or maybe we became white trash when we moved here? I don’t know- either way, we’re white trash. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go yell at my dog and move money from my bank before the government takes it for child support.

  14. John, there are a bunch of different areas in Long Beach.

    The West End is dirty, parking is a nightmare and there’s an insane amount of noise late into the night.

    Someone could very easily live in The Walks or Westholme and suffer from none of those extreme quality of life issues less than a quarter of a mile away.

    Its not snobbery, its the reality that when people move to the state streets they choose to live in the portion of town packed with bars.

  15. “when people move to the state streets they choose to live in the portion of town packed with bars.” The only statement with a modicum of truth in it- well, that and the parking- but you left out that it also has lots of restaurants, food, a grocery store, a gym, and extremely easy access to the beach. And all the money these places generate is what keeps Long Beach a’float.

    And on top of that, the beaches here are infinitely less crowded than those of the East End. Now I know you referred to the West End residents as White Trash but c’mon down to our beach…

    I assure you that you won’t see people lighting cigarettes with Ed Hardy lighters, cooking off the hood of their car, eating cold spaghetti hoops with forks and spoons lifted from a Chic-fil-A, talking about how they got kicked out of a Denny’s last night when their ex-girlfriend went a’hollerin’ at their new girl girlfriend because their sisters.

    But there’s a part of me that would like to see all this- so maybe you’re right and we are white trash. I better go pick up some Fago soda.

    Using the beaches on the state streets is like having a private beach. The East End is no better than being at Jones.

    I live here because I’m 28 and like being able to walk to things. You usually won’t find me near the bars on the weekend in the summer because it is not my idea of a good time. The You really have no idea what you are talking about.

  16. Parking meters are a HUGE no-no. They stifle the local economy more than they support the local government. Any sort of commercial area will end up with less traffic and business if you put meters up. People are less likely to stop if they have to find quarters and pay a meter. This is simple economics and human psychology. I’m not going to get a meter just to run into Gino’s and get a slice.

    God knows this City would be insane with meter maids as well. Running into Abe’s to pick up an order? Ticket waiting for you when you exit the store.

    If this town wants to dig itself out of the financial hole it currently resides in I suggest they stop grossly overpaying every employee (unsustainable pensions included).

  17. LBEsq – I would argue not being able to find a spot because they don’t turn over enough is more of a deterrent than having to pay a quarter. Just speaking from personal experience, I know I’ve not stopped at a business along park literally hundreds of times because no spots were available on the street.

  18. The old coin meters would be a horror but I think the kiosk meters where you buy time and put a receipt in your car window would let shoppers still run errands over a fixed period of time throughout the commercial area. Keep in mind it would only apply to Non-Residents. And you can use credit cards..

  19. I think it would hurt business. You have to pass at least two beaches to come to LB and pay more than you would elsewhere- now we’re charging people to park? What do people NEED from the LB shops- are the sandwiches, pizza and whimsical beach crafts that good here that you’d pay to park?

  20. It would honestly be a bad idea just because most of the traffic that comes through long beach is beach traffic. we already charge $12 to get on the beach for the day. Charging for parking would just cause more frustration for beach goers.

  21. On Shore Road? And Broadway? That’s residential. I get that you want to charge the out of town beachgoers, but what about people who live there? I see you included an option for residential permits, but I’m wondering what the people who voted the “yes” option that doesn’t mention resident permits. Do they honestly think that everyone who lives on these streets will want to stick quarters into a meter every day to leave their car parked?

  22. I have as well, I don’t dispute that. I end up cooking dinner myself half the time because of it haha. However, every commercial area I have ever seen that turns to meters results in less commerce. Plus, the revenue is literally negligible in the big picture. This won’t fix the books, responsible government will.

  23. I might as well mention here the Murphy’s Law of Long Beach parking: Every time you end up parking on a side street to frequent a business on park, there will be an open parking spot right in front of the store you are going to by the time to you walk to it. true story.

  24. Tom: Your personal accomplishments and the condition of your individual property aside, the West End is still a grimy shanty town, with a ton illegal rentals, poorly maintained properties, and a large population of permanently pickled drunks.

    It defines white trash on Long Island.

  25. Don’t want to be confused with Brian P, but I’ve rented in the West End for years and when I buy a property in the next few months it won’t be here.

    It’ll be in a portion of town where public urination isn’t considered a major public health problem!

  26. West End Tom: You make some good points. And in a perfect world Long Beach could open their beaches, their streets to everyone for free. But the fact is that the city is financially struggling and I hope that the revenue from the meters would be put toward helping to make Long Beach cleaner, more attractive, safer and fun.

    If the streets, sidewalks, trash receptacles were clean, healthy trees and beautiful flowers lined the parking lots, good quality food trucks and parking facilities were available near the boardwalk etc.I think people would recognize that money is being re-invested in attracting tourism and be willing to choose Long Beach, despite the meters, over other beaches with less visual and commercial appeal.

  27. Whoa- I never said lets make the beach free- I just said creating more barriers between visitors and the city by the sea, specifically parking fees, may not be in anyone’s best interest. If the city is so strapped for cash maybe it should staff all the beach entrances to collect that revenue.

  28. I laughed- then I typed “shanty town” in a Google image search http://images.google.com/ and laughed again. But I mean, you’re probably right. I’ve been here so long that my transformation is complete and don’t even realize how white-trash-social-impropriety has become my defining feature. It’s like a ringing in the ears that a person has so long they don’t even realize it’s there. No wonder I stopped getting all those Pottery Barn catalogs. 🙂

  29. I say put them on Beech street on the west side near the restaurants and allow 2 hour parking only. So that we can park and get into the restaurants.
    I start out going to them and wind up leaving to go to other places because i can’t park

  30. Getting the merchants to find parking somewhere besides in front of their stores on Park Ave and enforcing the time limits posted on the median parking there would go a long way to turning the spaces over more efficiently.

    How do they decide where meters end? I can see them starting along Broadway and oozing down the Boulevards to the beach. Since that is residential parking 9 months of the year I can’t see how that would be fair to the residents. I have enough trouble remembering on which side of the street I can park on Thursday, I would never be able to keep feeding a meter.

  31. I believe installation of meters merits serious consideration. I would not envision it as a major revenue producer, although I imagine it would add net revenue to CIty piggy bank, but as a way to move commerce in the commercial areas. I doubt it would result in a reduction of consumers or parkers. From what I see in towns that have them, every spot seems to be taken. In terms of residents, I think the resident sticker, which is available for the muni lots, could be used in lieu of parking meter. I believe it costs $10.00, and frankly, could be raised a bit. Another thing that should be considered is how to get more commuters (and others) to use the LIRR lot, instead of taking up every inch of parking space for blocks around the LIRR station, while not punishing th residents who live on those blocks.

  32. It would help if they reduced the fee to park in the LIRR lot. It’s way too expensive (I believe $200 or so a year? ) The people that park on the residential streets are trying to avoid paying that fee.

  33. What is the purpose of parking meters? Is it to raise revenue, punish outsiders, encourage spaces to turn over, or simply be petty (we charge because we can!).
    Parking meters could be an excellent way to pay for sidewalk and street improvements in our business districts. There is no reason all the revenue collected on W. Beech or Park Ave could not be dedicated to these districts, and unlike the bad old days, modern meters are wired to the internet and auditable. This means taxpayers will know exactly how much money is collected, trust but verify.

    If the goal of charging for parking is to create a pot of money for the business districts, then everyone should pay. Remember, punishing outsiders is a totally different goal. Long Beach is complex because the non-metered residential blocks are so close to businesses. Residential permits are one way to address this, but how many permits is each house entitled to? Are permits issued only to your specific block? What happens with visitors?

    I encourage everyone to look at places with parking meters such as Port Jefferson, Port Washington, and countless cities across the country. I also recommend the book The High Cost of Free Parking and the numerous urban planning blogs discussing parking. Also, I believe the New York Metropolitan Planning Council, our area’s conduit for federal transportation funding, has money for parking management workshops. A few years ago they funded one in Farmingdale, and I recommend asking the city’s leaders to pursue this as well.

    With regards to the LIRR permits. I believe Long Beach only paid for half the garage, and I’m sure there are still substantial bond payments to be made; the city might not be able to lower the permit cost.

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