The rent is too damn high?

I’m echoing a comment made on the Seabythecity Facebook page regarding rent in LB:

“Can we all just note how absolutely ridiculously expensive it is to rent here? And how many homes are owned by corporations and people who generally live out of the area? My husband and I have been looking for a new place–hard-working middle class young couple–and it’s pretty impossible with all of these inflated rental rates. Seems a pretty important topic to think about.

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104 thoughts on “The rent is too damn high?”

  1. Owning a home here is very expensive. The taxes are very high. We have a 3 br 2 bath on the market now. 2,100. Post your email and I will reach out to you.

  2. Yes the rent may seem high. You could live in a non beach community and pay a lot less. But, you will have to drive to the beach, and/or boardwalk search for parking pay non resident beach fees and not have the perks of a community that really cherishes that beauty that Mother Nature bestows upon us. We are lucky that we are NOT the Hamptons or La Jolla but enjoy prestine beaches all year round. Sure the rent is cheaper in Seaford Wantagh Baldwin … But you can’t wake up get on your bike and take a 4 mile ride next to the ocean. If course there are negatives but the positives definitely outweigh those every day even as a Sandy survivor. I am
    Blessed I have rented owned and run a business in this unique beach town. Yes we are a Beach town. It costs a little more but it’s worth every penny!

  3. My favorite topic, being a full-time landlord here in Long Beach.

    I wish I could charge lower rents, but I can’t and still pay my bills. Yes, the rent is high because the costs of ownership are so high. Taxes are outrageous — in many cases they are $700/month for each unit. Flood “insurance”, which is a new, government mandated tax adds about $150/month. Include the mortgage payment, hazard insurance, water, gas for heating and maintenance, and you can see why rents are so high.

    But in fairness, a lot of this goes back to the government’s wild inflation of the currency, destruction of jobs and lowering of the standard of living. Many young people aren’t earning the wages needed to live here.

    And Long Beach is a great place to live. Lots of demand here and lots of tenants who have the money and who will pay high prices. Supply and demand, as they say. These nice things cost money, and hence the high taxes and rents.

    As a property owner, I can suggest two remedies. Save all you can by living as simply as possible. Leasing a 2014 foreign built car? Casting your votes for socialists? Then don’t complain. If so, you are the cause of your own problem.

  4. Sure rent is high, but rent needs to cover taxes. If taxes go up, so does the rent.

    Whatever property you’re thinking of renting, check the property taxes online first. Then factor in however much you think the landlord will be spending to maintain your new home over the year.

    Then on top of those two numbers, add in some profit — you know, the amount of money the landlord thinks they should profit simply for owning something that you don’t. They’re middle-men.

    Don’t forget homeowners who are quick to complain about how expensive things are get their mortgage subsidized by the tax payer while renters don’t.

  5. Taxes high, and flood insurance is another huge cost. Plus homeowners insurance in Long Beach costs 30% more than it costs for a comparable house elsewhere on Long Island. On the flipside, more homeowners are deciding to rent their homes because they see what a bath they are taking when they go to try and sell it, because of the flood insurance costs. So supply of rentals should be up, which will help to bring costs down.

  6. Plenty of nice places in Baldwin and Oceanside with far lower rents. I would love to live on Central Park West, but I can’t afford it. You should set your sights a little lower on something you can afford. Or quit your job, go on Section 8 and then Obama will let you live wherever you want. He’ll pay for your I-Phone too.

  7. Rents are determined by the market. It’s that simple. Michelle explains why rents are higher here than in our non beachfront neighboring communities, the rents are driven by advantages most renters believe are worth paying extra for. If they didn’t, rents would drop accordingly. This is not rocket science Mehgan, it is normal market behavior CLCTS’s formula notwithstanding. High vacancy rates lead to lower rents, period.

  8. I am a landlord who happens to live in Long Beach. The rent is high because taxes are INSANE. I know many landlords that live in Long Beach that have poured their heart and soul into rebuilding their units so renters could come back. Maybe next time I will default on my units so we could drive down the rental and sales market. Please don’t count my money unless I can count yours….

  9. It isn’t so much that liberals are ignorant. It’s just that they know so many things that aren’t so.
    Wahhhh Wahhhh the rents too high wahhhhh

  10. Middle man? I worked 3 jobs 7 days a week to pay for everything that my family has.
    I am a landlord who owns 3 homes. I should rent them for free?
    The problem with redistribution of wealth is eventually you run out of other people’s money.
    I guess you work for free

  11. what makes no sense to me is that middle class people can’t afford to rent here, but there are so many section 8 rentals. how is it that the landlords are getting enough money from section 8 that they don’t prefer middle class renters? something is definitely wrong when working people can’t afford to rent, but people on section 8 are all over town as a homeowner, id like to see more working people renting around here & i just don’t understand why i keep hearing that middle class families can’t find a place to rent.

  12. Rent here is ridiculous for what you’re getting in return. I’m always looking…and so many of these places look as if they havent been renovated in 30 years! Seriously, these apartments look like they were built during the Brady bunch heyday in the late 60’s and yet they want $1500 for a studio. Get a grip landlords. Oh, and let’s not forget the people who rebuilt after Sandy who are trying to get $1800+ for a one bedroom. THATS A MORTGAGE PEOPLE! I’d rather own something than pay that for a rental. Please dont use the beach as as excuse; thats a cop out. Taxes are high, I get it, but I think people have just gotten greedy.

  13. Hello, This is Meghan, the original poster. I’d love to give some of you some background information on myself. A former college professor, I’m currently working on my second Masters degree. What I mean to say is, while I thank you for assuming I’m a complete moron and don’t understand basic economic rules, I wasn’t asking for a lesson.

    Local makes a very important point. Tons of Section 8 rentals (well, Local, that’s easy money…comes straight to them, doesn’t it?) Currently, we live on a very nice block close to the beach with a number of large homes (and some would even say “mini-mansions”). Granted, these are multi-family homes for the most part, and I do wonder how many of them are tax exempt… That aside, we also live across the street from a homeowner who rents to a drug dealer. Cops there every other week, cars coming and going. We also have some lovely trash collectors and (gasp) other drug dealers who live a few houses down.

    Another fun piece of background information: I was born and raised in Long Beach. I’ve lived here pretty much all of my life, in fact. I’ve supported plenty of local restaurants, shops, events, etc. throughout my time here, and I would love to stay and continue being a part of the community in which I grew up. But again, I really must thank you for opening my eyes to the fact that we live on a BEACH! And we have a BOARDWALK! Oh my! And, oh yes, I really should expect to be paying $2000 for a crappy studio for the pleasure of waking up and riding my bike!

    As for the histrionic ones on here: Nope. I don’t think rentals should be free. But you can totally irritate yourself byjumping to that completely irrational conclusion if you like. I’m just going to stop here and save myself some sanity.

    Oh, and you should TOTALLY blame Obama. Like every chance you get. Completely a rational response to a VERY REAL PROBLEM.

    The point is, rental prices are making it increasingly difficult to live here for many people who currently cannot buy. That’s a reality. Not an inflated one, not a nasty jab at landlords, but a real problem. And it’s not because we don’t work hard or because we believe we should live for free. (Why do people online immediately assume the rest of us are all slacking morons and they, themselves, are the only true Americans…rah rah rah)

    Lastly, you can tell people to move out and live somewhere else, because, of course, that’s an easy response to have. (And thanks again for pointing out that Wantaugh not only exists, but is also cheaper than Long Beach), but if that is actually your advice then you completely rescind any future right you have to hop on another one of these threads complaining about out-of-towners taking your precious parking. Then again, why do you even own a car? Just hop on your bike!

  14. Hmm…I said nothing about how much money landlords have. And it’s just true that many homeowners in LB don’t live here. Now, we’re increasingly seeing LLCs own and rent homes. You can count my money. It’s in my landlord’s pocket.

  15. Maybe you should have saved yourself some money instead of blowing it all on a “second” maśters degree.
    Then you could have bought a home….
    Wah wahhhhh

  16. Actually your wrong. 78% of rentals in long beach are owned by principle owners… Get your facts straight
    If you have any doubts go visit a local real estate office and they will break the news to you.

  17. Wow. Totally uncalled for, actually. And, anyway, we are saving to buy a house,hence we are renting now. Nothing wrong with that. I was making a point that everyone started out by assuming the poster was an idiot—which she isn’t.

  18. I believe the word I used was “many.” Wait…let me check again……Oh, yep. Just reread it. It says “many.” Last time I looked up the word, it didn’t mean “a majority,” or “all.” But maybe you’d like to double check with a dictionary and it can break the news to you??

  19. Now, if only my daddy owned a company, then I wouldn’t need to worry about an education and I could just get drunk all the time and own however many houses I wanted to.

  20. @ Meghan, It’s pretty simple. When lots of people want to live in a limited space, rents go up. When zoning rules inhibit supply, rents are higher. When property taxes are very high as they are in LB. this added tax burden gets shifted to tenants as higher rents. After Sandy, high re-construction/construction costs mean higher rents. Shall I continue? Understand that Long Beach has an unsustainable operating cost that is continually bonded. The only foreseeable course of action by the current administration is to raise taxes and build more housing. First will be the Superblock project, followed by a few remaining boardwalk sites and then luxury housing on the site of the hospital directly opposite where, in Island Park, a prominent Board member of South Nassau Hospital is building a gated community and is no doubt planning the same for this side of Reynold’s Channel. Rents will continue to remain high and Section 8’s will satisfy landlords as HUD pays fair market rent somewhere is the 50 percentile of area pricing. There will never be a shortage of leaches on society so apartments will be filled. Eventually there will be so many leaches living around town that you can’t “wake up get on your bike and take a 4 mile ride next to the ocean” that Michelle is so fond of because one of them stole your bike.

  21. C.A.V.E Dweller, aside from your “It’s pretty simple” and “Shall I go on,” thank you for what is largely an non-judgmental response. I do understand all of that, and that was why I made the comment I made.

    I should also note that I made the comment on the FB page and said that I knew it wasn’t the place to really post it. I neither asked to be quoted on the blog nor gave permission. I do not like to open myself up to self-righteous folks who simply attack or belittle people. Of course, I’ll certainly stoop to that level if provoked, which I was…

    I should learn my lesson about responding to online posts, especially on this blog. I’ve read the comments on posts before and I find that this “mellow little beach town” sure does seem to cultivate a lot of incredibly nasty people. We should all remember that there are real people attached to these comments, and that making rash judgments about them totally defeats the purpose of an open forum–which should promote thoughtful and civil discussion.

    You make my point–which was not particularly fleshed out in the offhand comment that Anthony posted without context or commentary–that high rental rates force out a lot of good, hard-working people who want to live in and support this community. Those who responded seem to have assumed that the person who made the comment (me) was just a lazy, ignorant, poor person. So, I tried to make the point that I was not (And to the JMack person: I need a second degree to advance in my career, as many of us do in the real world. I don’t consider my education a waste, but I see you do. That’s too bad).

    The same people who respond viciously to an observation about income disparities and what landlords deserve, etc., are probably the very same people who will complain about crime when only low-income housing becomes available . They may very well be the same people who rent 3 bedroom apartments for $3k+ out to 3 twenty-somethings in the West End and then complain about all the young kids drinking and peeing in their driveways, or taking up parking (a favorite topic of posters here).

    Renters understand that much of the costs of owning a home and paying taxes are passed onto them. That’s not something that needs to be explained, especially to me. But, I do have to wonder what the point is in owning, say, three houses and then complaining about how expensive it is to be a homeowner in this town. The point is clearly to make a profit, correct? Well, many of the rental offerings are atrocious –they are often small and old, and the rental prices often include nothing at all — and the prices are highly inflated. So, I’m happy folks are making a profit off of this, but renters also have every right to complain about it.

    And if I were a homeowner, I would certainly be more interested in exactly why I’m paying such high taxes. The boardwalk is lovely, and the memorial gardens, etc., but if that’s where your (and, by extension, my) money is going, and if that’s all you care about (aesthetics over substance and infrastructure), then you should reconsider your own priorities. Some of us just need a liveable and affordable place to put our stuff.

  22. Can some of you stop being assholes and just have a normal conversation? I am going to have to start moderating and blocking people because lately the conversations have gotten out of control.

  23. You are far from a moron! I moved to LB at a time when it was kind of Rockaways East. There was a lot of dumping of mental patients and welfare recipients all over town. (You think the Waldbaums parking lot is bad now?)

    At that time there were several buildings which have since gone co-op and there was meaningful rent stabilization. Once the stock of building rentals diminished, one real estate company from the city bought out at least 4 of the rental buildings and conspired with the owners of 2 of the largest other owners to warehouse apartments to try to break the stabilization laws. (Vacancies must below a certain threshold for the laws to be in force so they tried to manipulate the numbers.). When that wasn’t as successful as they wanted they went another route.

    For a number of years things that are considered capital improvements were made about every 6 months, at the tenants’ expense. Whether they were really needed or not. Those costs were added to our rents into perpetuity. We are still paying for windows that were replaced about 25 years ago (which have NEVER worked correctly) and I’m told 25 years is the sweet spot for their useful life being considered over, which means we will get to pay for more windows.

    Then there is vacancy decontrol. When a tenant moves from a rent stabilized apartment, management goes in, slaps up some paint, makes cosmetic improvements, using the cheapest materials, then inflates their costs because they are added to the statuary increase the owner gets of 19.5 to 20.5% of the latest legally charged rent. So if an apartment had been rented for $1300 for a year they can legally charge $1566.50 plus the cost of improvements. All they have to do us bring that total up to $2500, which becomes the new legal, deregulated rent.

    Our local realtors also bear responsibility for some of our crazy rents. Some if them have no ethics and offer illegal apartments at the same prices as legal and flat out lie to prospective tenants about future repairs.

  24. Meghan, it’s nice to read these posts and your replies. And it pains me that although I own rentals here, some of my own kids cannot afford to live in the places I own.

    I don’t see what the form of ownership (LLC or Corp) has to do with anything. That’s the owners’ choice and shouldn’t affect rental prices.

    Nobody has touched on the loss of commercial taxes as a huge factor in high property taxes. The flight of shoppers from Main Street to malls and then to the Internet has gutted commercial taxes, placing a huge burden on homeowners.

    While some high costs are generated by poor government decisions, others are simply the result of a changing community. As surrounding areas further decay for a multitude of reasons, costs in those surviving quality communities increase. Long Beach, luckily is one such place.

    What we’re seeing is the squeezing of the middle class. College educated and have trouble paying rent? If that’s not a symptom of a declining nation, I don’t know what is. The good news for folks like you Meghan, is that this, along with social programs like Section 8 will all ultimately drive down rents. That’s a goal of this government. It will lower values, taking money away from the greedy property owners and the detestable rich who earned their independence.

    Unfortunately, when that happens, you will be left with the kind of neighborhood where you certainly won’t want to live.

  25. I’m sorry but this is a very simple topic. Mortgage cost + taxes (school+property+water+Brady Risk+etc) + every other fee and “non-tax” tax = your rent. You don’t have to live here or go rent between LB rd and magnolia north of park ave rents are a little cheaper there. Use the Williamsburg strategy, move into the bad areas, where rent is affordable and keep brining friends till it gets better. The only problem is in 5 years your rents will be high again but for the next few years you’ll make out. Hopefully by then your pay will increase.

  26. I cannot agree with Eddie more. Meghan we are on a slippery slope when folks like you can’t rent an apartment. However, I will ask you as a renter, to get into the tax fight with our local city council and other Legislatures. I tell everyone of my tenants that rental increases will be in direct relationship to taxes and fees levied by the government and if they want to complain, I will always join them at city hall to make our voices heard. But alas, I have never had one take me up on it and I complain A LOT as it is.

    And to the guy/gal above who mentioned zoning, let’s not go down this slippery slope either. It’s bad enough iStar got through but the last thing we need is a “relaxing” of the zoning code to allow for more multi-family housing. We will become the Rockaways in a matter of days. So if you think Sandy hit us bad a glut of housing will be the cause of death.

    Finally, on section 8, it’s easy money for slum lords. I am not saying all section 8 tenants are bad but the ratio of those who “need a hand up” vs those who use it as a “way of life” tips far more to the later than the former. I looked into section 8 at one point and as a landlord who lives here and cares about the community I could not bring myself to go that route.

  27. Megan I would like to offer my sincere apology for my comment. It’s amazing how we can order the kind of remarks we do on blogs without thinking them through.I never meant my comment that it’s not rocket science to be taken the way it was but I can certainly understand why you took it the way you did. I only meant to point out that the market is king. Regardless of what you or I may think or want, or the various reasons that people have mentioned to explain the high rental prices in Long Beach, the price will be based on the supply versus demand. As long as people are willing to pay the price and vacancies remain relatively low the price will remain hi gh,and by high,I mean relatively high by some peoples standards. I wish you the very best in finding an appropriate rental for yourself in Long Beach. You are exactly the kind of person I would enjoy having as a fellow Long Beacher and neighbor.

  28. My taxes and insurance just went up $250/month on a two-family. So, I’m now paying around $1,200 per month just for that. The rent may be too high, but it’s going up!

    And, get rid of the spam rentinlb!

  29. Yes, you may note that few legitimate owners deal with Long Beach brokers. But that’s one more story. The brokers in town have never been the friend of apartment owners.

    By keeping fractured and at odds, landlords, tenants, brokers and the City fail to form a united effort to help either party. Only government benefits from such policies.

    Remember the “sue-your-landlord” forums that the City sponsored after Sandy? A disgusting grab for votes from their most dependent base. More rent increases came out of that.

    And yes, every renter can blame Obama for part of his high rents. A 500% increase in flood taxes and huge inflation can be blamed only on the Fed.

  30. @Eddie the Oracle. lol. What role does the Long Beach Housing Authority play in this City and do we need it? From the LB website “Shall have powers and duties conferred by public housing law – consists of 5 members appointed by city manager for staggered 5 year term. 2 tenants elected by residents for a 2 year term”. Who are they?,How much money does the City receive from HUD for having a Housing Authority? “HUD’s Role: To cover the cost of the program, HUD provides funds to allow PHAs (public housing agencies) to make housing assistance payments on behalf of the families. HUD also pays the PHA a fee for the costs of administering the program”.
    Oh, and Eddie, as for flood insurance/taxes, don’t forget that Romney was steadfast in his plan to eliminate FEMA. Can you imagine the premiums when it’s UN-subsidized?.

  31. Sorry CAVE but I thought we were going un-subsidized due to Biggert-Waters and the Fed saying everyone’s flood insurance was going up to fair market value? I know my insurance broker said my $2k policy is on its way to $10k (since we are in a flood zone) at a 25% increase per year. Guess I will have to pass that increase along to my tenant, unless of course I fund it for them out of my own pocket and then default on my mortgage to do it.

  32. @Meghan – you should look into a FICA loan. You only need to put 3.5% down, but you’ll probably have to pay PMI (private mortgage insurance); which will be about an $200 additional a month. The good news is (PMI), its usually tax deductible. Once you get 20% in equity paid in, you can apply to stop paying the PMI. The mortgage, PMI and all, will be less than your rent.

  33. Eddie, you have completely mangled the facts to suit your point of view. The members of the Council did support the tenants when we were being strung along with no elevator service 10 months after Sandy, by the very company that bought rent stablized buildings, knowing they were and then proceeded to do everything they could to destabilize those rents.

    We have several elderly people living here and several handicapped. We protested a dangerous situation and the Council supported us. There was no lawsuit, no threat of a lawsuit. There was a public embarrassment of the owners, which they deserved.

    You have the incorrect notion that people who rent don’t carry our weight or get a free ride. In fact, you give the impression that you have very little respect for renters. You throw out totally bogus numbers to prove your point, knowing they are exaggerated.

    I want to know how you identify all these Section 8 people you so vilify. Do they have some identifying characteristic that only you and a few others can see? Are you aware that program has not accepted new applicants in years? Do you even know what would qualify a person for Section 8 vouchers? Do you just assume people who don’t fit the parameters you deem acceptable must be a lower strata of society than you?

    And to the realtor who posted his link, you just proved my point. You are proud to be pushing studio apartments the size of shoe boxes for top dollar!

    And to all you financial wizards telling Meghan she should just buy a house – stop and ask yourself how one is supposed to put aside the money for a down payment while paying insanely inflated rents? And why would you even assume she never thought of that?

  34. @BSM, let me guess: You are dependent on government aid. I look at things as a businessman, as a provider. You see them as a recipient of entitlements, a consumer entitled to the fruit of my labor.

    Yes, the City helped many tenants who were subject to bad landlords. That’s its job.

    And I am very familiar with the Section 8 program. I worked with it for decades in Rockaway. It’s responsible for destroying one community after another and bankrupting families from coast to coast by wrecking their property values and neighborhoods.

    Until you see things from a viewpoint other than “what you can get take from others,” it will be difficult for you to present a reasonable argument.

  35. Just wanted to offer a story and perspective that you may find interesting Mehgan. My wife is a lifelong Long Beacher. When we met and married in 1985, I realized that this city was the place I wanted to live. We were committed ocean fanatics and runners who loved the boardwalk enough to overlook a somewhat rundown LI town. Our $700 rent for a fairly shabby one bedroom with a callous landlord seemed exorbitant, but it allowed us to save up a down payment that we used to purchase the cheapest one BR coop apt. we could find, $86G in the overheated market of 1987. There was a feeling of optimism building as a LB seemed to be in the early stage of what was referred to its “renaissance” and we wanted in as owners. To make a long story shorter, our coop experience was a disaster. We found we had purchased into a coop that was structurally unsound, east wall problems causing major leaks with any heavy rain not the mention a boiler that failed to provide heat which required costly replacement. Our coop operated like most failed communist states, dysfunctional and corrupt. We wanted out! But the coop balloon had burst in the late 80’s and our $86G apt. was worth $40G if we were lucky. We continued by living frugally and hoping we could save up another down payment while praying the coop market might recover enough to allow us to sell without too great a loss. That’s when our accountant advised something we hadn’t considered and really didn’t want, to purchase a renter occupied two family house. We became reluctant landlords of a 2 family house in 1991 that is still our home today. The 2 BR apt brought in a $700 rent that allowed us to make our monthly nut and move forward. That house cost us $214G and carried a $180G mortgage at 11% interest, scary numbers for us, two young teachers. I’d guess it is worth about $600 G now after we put well over $250G of capital improvements and necessary special maintenance into it. The 2 BR apt is fully renovated after Sandy and now fetches $1800, but the highest rent pre Sandy was $1600.Our total property taxes were a little under $6G in 1991, they are just under $12G today. Our total insurance bill $900 in 1991, $3400 today. We are the best landlords in LB (or truly try to be) by being absolutely attentive to our tenants needs. The rents we have offered it for have always been market determined, however we never raise our rent for worthy tenants who we care for and appreciate. We also have given somewhat lower than market rents to prospective tenants who strike us a “good people”. While the experience has been good for us financially, the rent has helped us to fully pay off our mortgage and we have had some lovely tenants, we have also experienced some difficult and scary situations as landlords. We had one experience with a case of domestic abuse, one case of severe substance abuse and discovered one tenant who kept a large cache of fireworks in his closet. Being a landlord of a two family house has been a helpful thing for us, but it didn’t make us rich and it did have its share of worries. Most of my 2 family owner occupied “landlord” neighbors have similar stories. We are not professional landlords, these properties helped us along. My story begins like yours Mehgan. I hope your story ends like mine, however you get there.

  36. Meghan can’t afford to buy in Long Beach either – because of the flood insurance. You can’t get a mortgage without it, and unless you buy a house that has been raised, you need flood insurance unless you are a cash buyer. If you can’t afford to rent in Long Beach, you certainly can’t afford to buy in Long Beach. And to be honest, why would you want to buy a house in Long Beach? Over time, as the full weight of the flood insurance tsunami hits Long Beach, home prices are headed down. And there is no end to property and school tax increases in Long Beach because of the politics of the town. So Meghan, look at it this way, the naysayers here are actually doing you a favor – don’t move to Long Beach. Long Beach is nice for visitors, and that’s it. Property ownership here is a downward spiral.

  37. Homeowners and flood insurance exceeds $5000 a year on any house in long beach that isn’t raised (which few are). That’s $400+ a month on top of the mortgage, PMI, property taxes, and all the rest. No first time buyers are coming to Long Beach because of the insurance costs, you can forget that. Cash buyers, who don’t have to carry flood insurance, and investors who buy to rent – are the only buyers of homes in Long Beach right now.

  38. I am dependent on no one but myself. I have worked since I was a teenager, put myself through college and grad school. But because I am a tenant rather than a homeowner, you just assume I am a drain on the system. You are being very rude and so ignorant you don’t merit any more of my time.

  39. Sam, that’s exactly what they told me when I bought my first multi-family building here in 1982 for $48,000.

    Oh yea, that was a horrible business decision. I really threw away that $4,000 down payment, didn’t I? Just think, I could have bought a Firebird instead, like my friends did.

    They’re still renting and working.

  40. Another reason rents are so high:

    “The apartment is for me n my new boyfriend. He’s so awsome!! I work three jobs and have great credit but his ex trashed his credit and he works sometimes in construction. We need a place right away cuz his landlord is a ass n wants him and his roommates out. The apartment is for us and his five kids and will be in my name so his bad credit wont be a problem. We also have two American White Fawn dogs (ed note: Pitbulls) but its ok cuz they r professionally trained theropy dogs so they dont matter. My bf will professionally remodel yr apartment like on TV in exchange for the rent. We will pay u the security when my bf landlord gives his back.”

    This is what you get in Long Beach these days my friends.

  41. Really,Eddie? Your friends told you that about flood insurance back in 1982? They also warned you about the school taxes in LB? And comparing the down payment in 1982 to 2014 is nonsense.

  42. I wanted to follow up on my post from yesterday. I was in a rush and couldn’t express my opinion on this very important topic. My post wasn’t meant to just advertise my website… As a broker that focuses 100% on Long Beach rentals this topic hits home.. I agree that majority of listings on the market seem to be very expensive and sometimes they are. Much like a lot of people said already, this usually happens when the cost of maintaining the home is so high due to taxes, insurance, mtg and more. Believe it or not, many of my clients never make a profit from renting and many times have to still come out of pocket to cover all monthly costs. With that said, you also have to realize what we have here in Long Beach to enjoy.. Beautiful beaches, parks, the bay, an amazing boardwalk, great restaurants and so much more. Where else can you get this? If you can appreciate everything Long Beach has to offer you will pay a little more to live here.. if not, Long Beach may not be the right fit for you! #LOVELBNY

  43. Tom, you are so right and it’s so tough. So tough that I’m selling and getting out of here if the Democrats get reelected again. Government has screwed anyone working hard for anything.

    But Long Beach has supported my family very well, and real estate still remains the best way for the average working stiff to acquire real wealth over his lifetime.

  44. Echoing Eddie, yes things are difficult for new homebuyers, but perspective is vital here. Note that my coop purchase mentioned in a previous post had an 11% mortgage and we bought into a bubble that burst. Today’s interest rates combined with the recent real estate crash has created excellent buying opportunities for some prospective homeowners. That said, my two family home was worth much more pre Sandy, but I continue to own it and at least a few people commenting here predict a continued decline for homes that aren’t raised. Mine isn’t. Yet when we purchased in 1991 at 8.5% mortgage, no flood insurance was required by the bank and we thought we didn’t need it. Well if it weren’t for the good fortune of Allstate dropping us for home owner’s insurance as they were reducing their hurricane risk exposure even as we never had a claim, we would have never met Brian Bergman, who convinced us to take flood insurance ($250G/$100G for $300/ yr… “you live 3 blocks from the ocean!”). Sandy payoff, $65G to rebuild. Yet, had I purchased a home in 1975 when I got my first teaching job as many of my peers did, my house would have cost under $30G and my savings account would be healthier today. I entered the job market in a major recession and had snared one of the few teaching positions available on LI that year. While I felt rich making $9000/year, decreasing school populations on LI meant that layoff was looming and homeownership would be dangerous even if I could by a home in the area I taught for about $13000G. But even more dangerous for Millenials, GenX and Yers today. While I was laid off and ended up working replacement positions for 6 years, I did eventually get a full faculty assignment and seniority that allowed me to consider homeownership. Some Gen X and Y ers have seen their homes value go “underwater”. Most of today’s workforce can’t count on long careers in one location or have seen their attempts to save impacted in the Great Recession of 2008. No wonder home ownership is difficult or of questionable for them. Like Eddie, this 61 yo worries for them. But my story is offered to provide a perspective, and in some small way share with those of you earlier in the game of life the factors that influenced this one little life. This “landlords” life. So many factors, so much luck, so many decisions, we all try our best, we all deal with conditions we neither created or can influence. Yet, and I believe Eddie would agree WET, one thing we can do is not live beyond our means and plan for rainy days. We can drive a BMW 3 but maybe better afford a Mazda3. We can have a Frappucino a day, but maybe better afford a cup of Dunkin coffee. It all adds up. Rents and homeownership will always seem expensive and daunting. Anthony, I hope I haven’t veered to far off on this thread, but something in WET’s post led me into this ramble.

  45. Regarding our taxes and fees, I see this is on the City Council agenda for tonight:

    “3.Resolution Authorizing the City Manager to Enter into an Agreement with the Long Beach Civil Service Employees Association Lifeguard Officers Unit.

    Legislative Memo: The Lifeguard Officer Collective Bargaining
    Agreement is due to expire on June 30, 2015. The Agreement is a
    continuation of many of the terms of employment contained in the
    previous CBA. The Officers will receive increases for the next three years which mirror those that have been awarded to the CSEA in their
    Collective Bargaining Agreement. In addition, there have been revisions
    to the Officer’s management structure and criteria/process for promotions.”

    I have no data, nor do I see it on the City website, for what this involves in terms of costs, benefits, etc. It may be perfectly fine, but whatever it is, it can affect every homeowner (and renter) for years to come.

  46. Ah, Eddie, yes it is. But, to be clear, my point in posting is that paying attention to these things, asking questions, going to a City Council meeting to inquire and complain if necessary, is what’s needed. Here, we have lots of residents talking about the costs of living in this City. Here is part of your costs. Find out what it is and whether it is objectionable and try to do something about it. Speaking about it only in this or a similar space may be informative, but will accomplish nothing. I’ve beaten this drum for years and will continue to do so.

    PS – It would be difficult for me to make tonight’s meeting, but I wanted to know what this is so I called City Hall and got an explanation.

  47. Please! A lifeguard union and secondary one for officers? It’s an 8 week summer job. You have to be a strong swimmer, not have your head up your arse, stay awake and call for a medic if someone is injured. They don’t even have to know how to splice rope any more. Come on, they figured out how to operate with volunteer surf lifesaving in Australia. “Lifeguard Officer Collective Bargaining”. This city is nuts. They will never get out from under the tens of millions in bonding to pay for all this crap and they don’t want to.

  48. What’s nuts is the Lifeguard Superior Officers. A nice 9% raise for them. Year round pay for ten weeks work. $88K – $135K, pension and benefits to be a politically appointed Lifeguard Boss. You pay the bill. Then you cry about your rent being too high or your taxes going up $250 a month.

  49. Amazing that somehow we’ve decided as a society that Section 8 people deserve to live at/by the beach. It’s a great deal for landlords, no doubt, but the damage it does to the surrounding areas is undeniable. Look no further than the sweet Section 8 units next to the Long Beach Hotel, and the vacant new construction townhomes next to it. This is my #1 reason for not purchasing a home in LB, I would prefer not to invest my life savings into a house only to have the value obliterated after my neighbor goes Section 8.

    Rent will always be higher here due to high demand, limited supply and wicked high taxes. Living here is a luxury, which is why Section 8 has no place.

  50. What’s AMAZING is that the Long Beach people re-elect the one political party advocating “freedom of housing,” and conspiring with a lobby group, Sustainable Long Island, to achieve this.

    The only way to assure that anyone can live wherever he wants regardless of his finances is to destroy your property values. Obviously the administration is doing everything it can to achieve this.

    Buying the votes of the poor while the working class is busy working.

  51. Wait!!! The lifeguard officers make what??? Please tell me this figure is a mistake or exaggeration!!! I can see having one personat this pay level who’s year round job is to run the program but more than that is fiscally irresponsible and a waste of tax payers dollars! Eddie or some other knowledgeable person, please comment here.

    And yes, section 8 at the beach is also ridiculous.

  52. @LBEsq – on the surface, it doesn’t sound like it makes sense, but when it was started, from what I’ve been told, LB was not a place you lived in year round. Many of the homes barely had heat.

  53. no, people who rely on housing vouchers deserve to live in a safe place because they are human beings and we all live in a civilized society,

    Or at. Least I thought it was civilized.

  54. It’s not secret that I support informal housing aka “illegal housing”. From illegal loft spaces in commercial buildings to converted garage spaces, I have been able to live in places in Boston, Brooklyn and Long Beach that were “illegal” to escape market rates, real estate agent fees and shitty absent landlords.I’ve also helped some struggling homeowners along the way. I acknowledge that my situation of wanting the economic opportunities and hip status of living in trendy urban spaces is far less complex than that of a parent wanting to live in a better school district, or a family wanting to live in a healthy environment or a person who just does not have the means to sacrifice a months rent (plus first,last and security) to a realtor or they do not have a bank account. As a society we are a bunch of assholes for thinking a person has to have a bank account, has to cough up 3-4times rent to sign a lease and has to sacrifice 50 or 75 % of their income if they want to live in a safe neighborhood or access a good education. When did the rents get so damn high?
    I don’t necessarily buy into the argument that all “illegal apartments” are inherently dangerous (as if all “legal” ones are? Absolutely not true) and full of vagabonds and derelicts. So I’ve come across this article on the informal housing debate (context LA but applicable everywhere) and the writer, Jonathan Bell, has articulated fair arguments against informal housing as a cure for unaffordable housing – basically by re examining codes and permit processes. I can appreciate that he seems to grasp this as a non black and white issue, that the gray areas need to be put on the table. Or at least I think he acknowledges that. So my rant brings me to Long Beach where the middle class is increasingly finding No Vacancy signs for their price bracket and the lower income (hi, I am low income btw) are being pushed out as houses are raised postSandy and informal housing is shut down. And the argument for aggressive criminalization of informal housing is the derelicts are taking up parking spaces, and sometimes someone might use the “it’s dangerous for dwellers” argument (as if you care!) or taxes not being paid. Back to Jonathan Bell – I think addressing the processes for converting informal spaces will exacerbate the situation as then a landlord can get market rates and the supply of affordable housing has dwindled. Listen, I’ll end this rant shortly but I think that we need informal housing like we need the informal economy and should stop criminalizing people or cutting off economic opportunities for not having the means to secure traditional housing. All this and I’m on my first cup of coffee.

    Oh, and with all the anger towards informal housing (our only true affordable housing) and “non tax paying renters” why does everyone completely ignore the fact that your beloved restaurants are chock full of under the table employees who pay zero taxes on their income? I really think it’s the whole parking argument and that is truly, truly selfish.

  55. Allison, I certainly see your argument here. Illegal (you can call them “informal” as in “informal aliens,” if words change facts for you) apartments fill a big need or they wouldn’t be in demand. And they wouldn’t be illegal if not for laws championed by the majority which doesn’t want them. Alas, the trials of living in a democratic and socialist society.

    Remember that the very socialist form of government you advocate is the reason that these laws exist. They began in NYC in the late 1800’s as hotly contested safety measures. Then they evolved into zoning and now into “social engineering” measures.

    Certainly a total lack of regulation is no picnic. You probably wouldn’t want someone recycling tires next door to your home. But perhaps dictating the square feet required of a counter top or closet size is taking things to excess.

    I love the open market. I’d love to be able to own a Long Beach rooming house (outlawed in 1978) or an attic apartment (outlawed in 1958). They and their inhabitants give a flavor and mix to a community which unfortunately has been lost here with the rising property and tax rates.

    Please reconsider your socialist mantra. You can’t espouse the virtues of socialism on one hand and them condemn regulation on the other. The answer usually lies somewhere midway. All that government regulates, offers and demands is not to your benefit.

  56. Brilliant measured response Eddie. That said, yes Allison, people who receive housing vouchers deserve to live in a safe place. Those vouchers are evidence that we are indeed a civilized society. And I welcome anyone to my neighborhood regardless of how they pay for their housing, so long as they allow their neighbors to live in safety and tranquility. I live near the LB Hotel. I keep watch on my neighborhood. I’ve got some concerns. If only there was some way to rescind the vouchers from the minority of recipients who don’t understand their obligation to maintain the peace and tranquility of our neighborhood.

  57. You need to stop with the hyperbole. No, not every single house that isn’t raised will exceed $5k per year. My house in the walks is on the original foundation which comes above ground level by 3′, my flood insurance was renewed last month and it did not go up.

  58. Rent prices are exactly where they are suppose to be wether in Long Beach, NYC or somewhere in Michigan. They will always adjust up and down with what the market will bear. Supply and demand. If a landlord can get $1500 for his one bedroom then that’s the fair market price. If he can get $1700 than that’s the market value. It’s that simple. Doesn’t matter where you live, the market is always correct.

  59. Ok. I understand that being a homeowner in Long Beach is an expensive undertaking (for many reasons stated above) therefore it makes sense that rents will be higher. I still think they are bordering on the ridiculous and driving away good people, but I do understand that they will be higher than most places. That said, however, it doesn’t take away from the fact that so many of these rentals are in piss poor condition. $1300+ for a STUDIO that has the same kitchen cabinets my parents had in the 70’s, one closet in the bedroom and nothing for storage, a bathroom that is also old and outdated, carpeting a shade of pink not normally found outside of a 5 year old girls bedroom and zero utilities included? I mean, how can people rent out a place like that in good conscience? How do you real estate agents represent places like that? Isn’t part of your job as an agent to advise homeowners on what to do to make their income properties more rentable? This is the norm in Long Beach. More often than not these apartments are small, old, outdated and STILL overpriced. And the ones that have been renovated, even slightly, are dramatically overpriced. $1800 for a one bedroom because it has 2 stainless steel appliances in the kitchen and a new vanity? Really? There really needs to be a happy medium somewhere along the lines. Landlords would prefer (at least I assume they do) good tenants. People they can trust not to ruin or damage their apartments, people that are considerate and respectful, people that pay their rent on time, etc.. Yet these are exactly the people that can’t afford these astronomical rents. Instead, they’ll rent to 20-somethings that are only here to party and are the very people they complain about.

  60. @Beth, as someone who doesn’t have an agenda in this matter since I am not a renter or a landlord, here’s the objective POV:

    As many have said, these places are not overpriced if people are renting them at the advertised price. This is basic supply and demand, if no one was willing to pay that price and the dwelling sat empty, only then could you claim it was overpriced.

    I rented for 4 years in LB before I bought my house and yes, so many places are complete dumps. Does it suck to pay good money for a dump? Yes, but that’s the tax you pay for living in a desirable area.

  61. @BltByKrmn I do understand….to some extent. I just think that some sort of updating needs to happen. Funny thing is, I check craigslist almost every day, just to see what’s out there. And there are quite a number of apartments that have been listed (by an agent) and sitting out there for MONTHS. These same apartments have also dropped their prices 2-3 times and they are STILL not being rented. These are also some of the apartments sadly in need of updating.

  62. Rory, Please indicate where you obtained the Lifeguard salary figures you quoted.

    At last Night’s City Council meeting the City Manager said the hourly rate was going from $21.57 to $22.10. That’s an hourly rate increase of 2.5% for the 12 workers affected by that contract. That doesn’t sound like a 9% increase. And, it’s pretty tough to earn $88k to $135k at a rate of $22.10 an hour.

  63. Ed, when you’re done sucking up to the City Council, re-read my post. Either you don’t get it, which is quite possible for you or you are electioneering for them. Read the contract, if they deem you worthy to see it.

  64. In one sentence you say rents are too high while in the next you complain that apartments must be “updated”.

    Am I the only one who sees the irony here?

    You get what you pay for. I can show you a $1500 apartment, on which I profit about $200/month. I’ll offer you the same place with a new kitchen that costs me $18,000 to remodel for $1775/month.

    Not everyone wants to pay to rent my stainless appliances. Some people could care less if their kitchen is 30 years old.

    They are usually the ones who are saving to buy their own houses.

  65. @Eddie

    So anyone saving to buy a house should be ok with or is ok with living in an apartment sorely in need of some renovating or maintenance? That translates, at least to me, that you should be ok with living in something old and rundown because your money should be going into the bank instead. I didnt realize that living in sub-standard housing was something you needed to do when saving for a house. I know plenty of people saving for a house that will strongly disagree with you.

    I also never said that there needed to be or that there was an expensive remodel done. What I said was that some apartments had some stainless steel appliances and because of that the rent was ridiculous. I’ve seen numerous apartments where there was no remodel done, just a new refrigerator or stove and now all of a sudden the rent is $500 more a month. I know full well how much these things cost and in no way do they warrant sky high rents. I personally dont need stainless appliances (I don’t have them now and I manage to make it through the day) but I also think that, yes, rental properties should be updated just like you would update your own home. It does not have to be expensive. A little touch here and there over the years makes a huge difference. You dont need a major remodel to keep it fresh and updated.

  66. Hey Eddie I am very open to your comments and actually enjoy reading healthy dialogue that challenge my views, which do constantly change as I am not afraid of evolving, shifting and actually enjoy catching my own contradictions.
    The answer does lie somewhere in the middle, definitely.
    Words really make all the difference in the world when you are discussing disadvantaged people – whether it be housing, class, physical ability, gender…clearly you can understand how the changing of one word can offend or continue to oppress a group. By associating persons who cannot access the means to formal housing as “illegal” when all they at to do is live then yeah it does matter so I will continue to use the term informal housing and hope that you will consider this as well.

    Cool beans!

  67. Allison, thank you for the respect and the kind words.

    The housing is illegal if it doesn’t have a Certificate of Occupancy. Nothing informal about that. It’s against the law to occupy it or to rent it as a household unit.

    That has no reflection on its inhabitant who may or may not even know nor care that the unit hasn’t been approved by the municipality.

    Plenty of reasons for a place to be denied a C of O. Some are good, safety related reasons, others are political, economic, or socially engineered reasons. But since we don’t pick and choose the laws we obey, occupying or offering an illegal apartment is breaking the law.

  68. Rory — Your post is not clear. Are you saying the Lifeguard Boss is getting paid 88k-135k or that on an annualized basis that is what it would be? If the latter, why don’t you just say it? Also, my understanding is that they get no pension and benefits. If that is incorrect, I want to know and if you have the contract or other confirming data, please provide it. Thank you.

  69. Rory. Keep electioneering for those successful republican clean slate candidates. I must say they are everywhere making long beach a better place. Lolololololol

  70. Allison- if you feel the denial of a CO is improper then simply lobby the lawmakers to change that decision. Breaking the law by those who disagree with it leads to anarchy and chaos.

  71. Good advice, and exactly what you should do when you are a landlord. Meanwhile, as a renter, you should continue to use your own standards to avoid low value rentals (to you) and reread Bryan’s post above. No one holds a gun to your head when you are shown a prospective apartment. When a landlord prices an apartment too high, they are left with a vacancy. And do read that 11/19 RVC article. Perspective Beth.

  72. Your willingness to reexamine your opinions is why I respect you Allison. I see your point but please note that it is the housing that is illegal, the landlord engaging in illegality, the neighborhood and community that is victimized by overcrowding and uncollected taxes, and often the renter victimized by the good safety related factors Eddie referenced. There is a process that a homeowner can undertake to get a C of O. If it is a flawed process, please explain. And I hope we can agree that many renters of illegal apartments are not necessarily disadvantaged but instead trying to take advantage of a “good deal” that enables them to use their income for other things.

  73. The Rockville Centre Times article is an eye opener. I recall a decade ago when Long Beach home prices trumped those of Rockville Centre. Now, with an average sale price of over $700,000, RVC beats Long Beach by about $300K. What happened?

    Democrats. Liberals. Socialists. The RVC article discusses the measures taken by the mayor to raise value. No mention of “choice of housing”, Sustainable Long Island, Section 8, advertising signs, twenty new political management jobs.

    The present administration here punishes the investor and the property buyer to garnish votes from their base — those dependent on government handouts.

    Unless the property owners in this town wake up, Long Beach will follow the rest of Long Island’s Democrat towns into the “dependent population” abyss: Freeport, Brentwood, Rockaway, Mastic, Uniondale, East Meadow, Baldwin.

  74. Ed, I tried googling for the contract. No luck. Rory’s claim seems outrageous. Thanks for your information. Rory, please respond with specific contract data rather than innuendo.

  75. Long Beach Christmas Angel is a local non profit tax-exempt 501 c 3 organization, dedicated to improving the lives of families within the Long Beach City School District who are experiencing financial difficulties.

    These past 2 years, our primary focus has been to assist families trying to rebuild their lives after the massive destruction caused by Hurricane Sandy. We have helped secure contracting services, plumbing, furniture and clothing replacement, as well as providing mortgage and rental assistance. These are just a few examples of how we have been able to assist our residents who have been dramatically affected by this powerful storm. We need your help to continue our efforts.


    $95,000 of Furniture purchased

    $90,441 in rent and mortgage assistance

    $87,457 for general contracting

    $84,600 in gift cards distributed

    $76,501 for plumbing work

    $42,893 of appliances purchased

    $40,100 worth of beds and mattresses

    $21,703 in education and tuition payments

    $19,400 for electrical work

    $9,294 Utility payments!!!

  76. @Beth – It’s because of the Brokers Fee Scheme that is really only customary in a few places; downstate New York being one of them. What difference does it make to a landlord if it needs to be shown 10x before it rents?

    For those out of touch, a brokers fee is one month’s rent.

    So while some ’round here depict renters as lazy derelicts who could be pillars of the community and real estate tycoons if they could only stop dragging their knuckles long enough to flip the off switch on their lifestyle of hedonism and new iPhones to save money, has a day that looks like this when signing their lease….

    1 mo. rent – $1,500
    Last mo. rent – $1,500
    Brokers fee – $1,500
    Security – $1,500 – $3,000

    $6,000 – $7,500 (not including moving costs)

    Tax write offs: $0

    Then they move in – the landlord sucks – the place sucks – they have to move again – pay another brokers fee – maybe they get their security back in a timely manner, maybe they don’t.

    The real kicker is how the brokers fee wipes out any money a person could save by moving. Since there’s no cap on rent increases, if a landlord raises your rent 10%, if you say no, you have to pay another brokers fee and the moving costs; which is basically 10%; to move to another shoddy place that costs the same.

    The landlord is not the one doing it or paying for the broker as far as I know, and the renter gets to pay for the luxury of some hack turning a key; as a result, no one is an advocate for the renter in the transaction, who is often under a tight deadline to secure a place and being told by the broker, “there’s really not a lot of places – they’re going so quick – you should really take this one that smells like death and lysol.”

    Not to mention the # of landlords here that are also brokers – so they’re double dipping. Nice work if you can get it.

    Most landlords in LB take no pride in their apartments. They know that if they wait it out, eventually someone who just wants to live here bad enough will suck it up and take the place, and its true in every price range. I cannot tell you how many places I saw over the years, and I can only think of 1 that I looked forward to living in.

  77. Tom, you sound like a bitter old man. Only a numb-nut would use a broker to find an apartment when CraigsList shows 231 broker-free Long Beach rentals. You have got to be one lazy lug to pay one of those parasites to look on CraigsList for you. As far as “most” landlords not caring for their property, it’s good that you know them all. Perhaps you’re hanging in the wrong places. You should get out of the “trendy West End” once in awhile. I doubt the owners of all those $1800 – $3000 apartments don’t care for their buildings.

  78. Tom, sounds like you have an ax to grind as you paint with your over broad brush. Horrible landlords, no doubt. Bad dishonest tenants, no doubt. The majority, of both, self centered but decent, we are all after all only human. Brokers serve a purpose for each, as they manage the rental process for landlords, and define the market for renters given their resources. As Jodi points out, Craig’s list exists for either as options and many two family owner occupied landlords utilize it to reach a broader market. Many, like myself, reverted back to broker as managing appointments proved difficult and pre-qualifying prospective tenants daunting. Sadly it has, in my limited experience using Craigslist, been the source of my only “bad” tenants even as I was a great landlord (many landlords were once renters with bad landlords, we remember). Most landlords don’t care about their properties? I wonder what planet they come from? Owners have a stake, tenants don’t. Landlords that are not decent people can incur the wrath of their tenants, it behooves them to behave with respect. Any prospective tenant who presented themselves with documention of their ability to pay, some letters of recommendation from previous landlords, in short, a positive presence would be welcome at my door. The Craigslist ones didn’t , but alas, let me not paint with a broad brush. Maybe I’ll try Craigslist again in the future, I don’t want good tenants to struggle with RE fee burdens (nor would I or my neighbor friends ask for first and last month’s rent, hell that would anialate my market and be unjust!). But WET you make no sense as it is YOU who denigrate renters by implying they lack free will and common sense by taking these terrible leases with landlords who suck in apartments that suck. My tenants don’t suck, they are lovely people who I care for and don’t raise the rent on to keep them. They do stay, and I have landlord neighbors and friends who do the same and develop lasting relationships. Your stereotyping seems self imposed Tom. That said, some people maybe wish to live in LB too much and ought to choose more affordable options elsewhere. When they do, supply goes up, demand goes down, rents go… It’s not… Well, I won’t say that again. But guys like you seem to think you own the definition of “too high”.

  79. i never said too high. The mkt determines that – not me, but landlords around here did show a lack of respect for their places. Believe me/don’t believe wtf do I care? I know what I saw and my friends saw over the tears. If they look better on average now than when I was an active sense here it’s probably because they needed work after sandy.

    If I had an axe to grind it’s with the broker scheme that stacks the cards against renters. But whatever.

    Jodi – you’re typical. Criticize lb – get told to move. “Whoever uses a broker is a lazy numb nuts.”


    They don’t live in lb and can’t drive out to see one apartment that’s rented by the time they get here. Not everybody has never left lb in their lives Jodi.

    In the last two years I’ve started a business, worked full time, got a masters, ran 4 marathons including the Ironman triathlon – so if I was using a broker it’s doubtful its bc I was lazy.

    So I guess my nuts are numb?

    Jodi – use logic. You really think there’s hundreds of no fee apartments? Even if there were – you thinks lol if them appeal to every seeker? No – some are studios, 1 bedrooms, etc. varying prices, etc.

    See Sense’s post – there’s no reason for an owner not to use a broker. Go apartment no fee hunting Jodi, just don’t send money to the prince of Nigeria when you respond to all those craigslists ads.

  80. Thanks for your thoughtful response WET. Yes, brokers schemes are horrible, so are broad brushes, I trust we agree. I hope I made some other points that make sense to you.

  81. The point of suggesting that the RVC article be read is to demonstrate that it is possible to have a vibrant , well run community right here on LI and literally in sight.
    I lived there for many years and experienced very little of the nonsense that accopnanies living in LB. As I said in a previous post if it wasnt for the BW, beach and ocean how many of us would be here?

  82. I’m VERY late to the party but I’m going to post this anyway. After the storm my landlord raised the rent 500/ month. Obviously the reasoning behind this was that they had to make up for all the money they spent on “repairs”. I have that last word in quotes because spraying bleach and painting is not repairing. Immediately following the storm LB let people repair and remediate without needing permits and without checking on completed work. So we packed up our remaining things and our 2 children and moved. And they found someone willing to pay what they were asking, supply and demand I guess. But are those new tenants really paying a fair price for what they are renting?

  83. Technically yes Alexis, but as you so clearly illustrate through your example, there are many ways of judging fair. Your ex landlord may be a scoundrel, or just a financially desperate person who is taking advantage, or maybe, just maybe, those new tenants are pleased as punch, having previously rented in a market like, let’s say, the Lower East Side of Manhatten, where my neice paid $2400 for a 1 BR walk up in an dirty, poorly maintained building, in a dicey neighborhood. I hope you landed in a much better place with a good landlord in LB.

  84. Christmas Angel is a local non profit tax-exempt 501 c 3 organization, dedicated to improving the lives of families within the Long Beach City School District who are experiencing financial difficulties.

    These past 2 years, our primary focus has been to assist families trying to rebuild their lives after the massive destruction caused by Hurricane Sandy. We have helped secure contracting services, plumbing, furniture and clothing replacement, as well as providing mortgage and rental assistance. These are just a few examples of how we have been able to assist our residents who have been dramatically affected by this powerful storm. We need your help to continue our efforts.


    $95,000 of Furniture purchased

    $90,441 in rent and mortgage assistance

    $87,457 for general contracting

    $84,600 in gift cards distributed

    $76,501 for plumbing work

    $42,893 of appliances purchased

    $40,100 worth of beds and mattresses

    $21,703 in education and tuition payments

    $19,400 for electrical work

    $9,294 Utility payments

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