Responding to South Nassau Community Hospital letter

Yesterday, South Nassau Community Hospital (SNCH) sent a letter to Long Beach residences describing their plans to establish an Emergency facility in Long Beach. But, they indicated they were considering establishing other hospital facilities, using FEMA funds, to be located “elsewhere”.

At last night’s City Council meeting three LB residents voiced deep dissatisfaction with the possibility that FEMA funds could be used “elsewhere”, to the potential detriment of Long Beach.

The City Council members were similarly agitated, consistent with their prior support for a Long Beach-located hospital.

If you support a full-service Long Beach hospital, contact SNCH and NYS politicians to demand the exclusive use of FEMA funds for a Long Beach situated hospital. And, ask your local civic group to voice its support to the City Council on this issue.

Ed Glister. Edglister@gmail.com 917-312-1219. 80 Oregon St

 

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59 thoughts on “Responding to South Nassau Community Hospital letter”

  1. This is so depressing… We really need a hospital here, in LONG BEACH. Its fine if they move it – Just keep in Long Beach or at least the Barrier Island.

  2. Why does anyone think the city council has control over a private entity? Stop wasting your time with the city council on the hospital it just makes you look like political fools.

    People who want a hospital so they can have jobs are different than people who want an emergency department to save lives. Those are two different arguments.

  3. It’s a private entity that has been granted public funds to restore a facility severely damaged by a natural calamity. So the public, LB residents in particular, do have the right, and yes,an obligation ,to voice their opposition to the diversion of these funds to a use other than that originally intended.
    While I question the need for a full scale hospital I do believe we need a proper ER.
    Any left over money from the original grant should be given to LB to help with repair of Sandy damaged items.

  4. @ Seth P, no one one is making “two separate arguments”, they are intertwined, but we’ll get back to that. People would only “look like political fools” as you put it, if they cared whether or not the City Council was D,R,or I. Few, if any, care about political affiliation in this matter. To date, no one from our City Council has used the word “hospital”. There is 180 million plus dollars in FEMA funding to re-open a “hospital”. Why can’t they use the word? Who are they afraid of? What developer? It’s been documented that over 40% of the doctors offices have left town. Open a real hospital and doctors will return. Open a real hospital and over 1000 immediate jobs return. A real hospital supports 2000+ ancillary jobs and adds 250 million to the local economy. What do want, a welcome wagon for Section 8’s or a one for jobs, doctors and a boon to the local economy. Do you want to our residents being brought in by ambulance just to keep them alive long enough to transfer them out to South Nassau ,or do you want them brought into a state of the art, highly capable hospital with on-site specialized treatment for inpatient stays? One that can admit patients suffering from a specific disease or affection, Perhaps a pediatric unit? Maybe one that expands beyond offering dominantly curative and rehabilitative care. A real “hospital” with services to include promotional, preventive and educational roles as part of a primary health care approach? Come on, you can say it, so can the City Council is they actually cared enough to stand up to developers and gave a sh$# about our children, our elderly, our medically underserved population.HOSPTIAL!!!

  5. An ER room is not enough! LB Hospital was a non profit established in the 1920s for the benefit of the community. Since that time, the community has supported this institution by allowing it to exist tax free. The State of NY’s Berger report established that the barrier island must have a hospital due to its isolation. Why should we settle for just an ER? Do you realize that if an ambulance takes you to the ER here, and then they decide to move you to South Nassau because they don’t have what’s needed to treat you (a likely scenario w/ just an ER), or you are stabilized but not ready to go home, you will be charged for another ambulance ride (about $1400). Let’s get the jobs, money and safety back to Long Beach!

  6. This thing stinks, not only are we out a hospital that was rebuilt already. There’s a money flow – an $180M prize for their $20 something million purchase(?), that is completely outrageous. Who can support or justify a re-distribution of FEMA money for something like this? This is government at it’s worst. Who thinks FEMA money grows on trees? My flood insurance is at $3,300 a year. An investigation is warranted.

  7. It is still unclear how the city council has control over a private entity or why we would need a hospital with 500 beds. Something for emergencies would be great. Contact South Nassau instead of making it political and dragging LB city council politics into it. You notice that anyone who attacks the council on the hospital would just as soon attack them about ISIS or ebola. The people connected to Republican party bosses Jimmy Moriarty and Jimmy Hennessy try to hide that connection and go on about the need for a hospital or a movie theater or some other dumb thing.

    Truly upset that a hospital isn’t in Long Beach? Don’t waste your time with city hall because all it does is waste time and make you look like a foolish political rat looking for jobs for you and your family.

  8. Long Beach Christmas Angel is a local non profit tax-exempt 501 c 3 organization, dedicated to improving the lives of families within the Long Beach City School District who are experiencing financial difficulties.

    These past 2 years, our primary focus has been to assist families trying to rebuild their lives after the massive destruction caused by Hurricane Sandy. We have helped secure contracting services, plumbing, furniture and clothing replacement, as well as providing mortgage and rental assistance. These are just a few examples of how we have been able to assist our residents who have been dramatically affected by this powerful storm. We need your help to continue our efforts.

    FINANCIAL DISBURSEMENTS SINCE HURRICANE SANDY: $567,389

    $95,000 of Furniture purchased

    $90,441 in rent and mortgage assistance

    $87,457 for general contracting

    $84,600 in gift cards distributed

    $76,501 for plumbing work

    $42,893 of appliances purchased

    $40,100 worth of beds and mattresses

    $21,703 in education and tuition payments

    $19,400 for electrical work

    $9,294 Utility payments

  9. The City Council is charge with making Long Beach conducive to a thriving economy while keeping its resident’s safe. One way this can be accomplished in this situation is to change the zoning in the area of the hospital to ensure that real estate developers can’t swoop in and build condos.
    Seth, do us all a favor and keep political party drivel out of this! Let’s focus on the real ISSUES at hand.

  10. @Seth P.-
    “a hospital with 500 beds” WRONG No one is asking for that.
    “dragging LB city council politics in to it” WRONG.
    In case you forgot., they have a duty to fulfill. As @Health and Informed eloquently stated – “making Long Beach conducive to a thriving economy while keeping its resident’s safe”
    “would just as soon attack them about ISIS or ebola” = MENTAL INSTABILTTY???
    “Republican party bosses”, WRONG AGAIN, You are the only one who mentions political affiliation on this one
    “foolish political rat” WRONG, and NICE TRY from a Council shill.

  11. Healthy, it’s clear that you don’t know the first thing about the workings of government. Informed? Did you sleep through 4th Grade, or didn’t you get that far?

  12. @ Jodi S. Totally unnecessary criticism of H&I. Maybe you just covered the three branches of government with your 4th grade class? Opinions are always welcome, sometimes even self-serving ones such as yours. But please, try to smoother away all the raw, untrained incivility.

  13. What we need is the emergency room. What I wish for is the hospital that would be beneficial to the economic well being of the community(because this is MY community). What I hope for is an emergency room with key ancillary services/departments that would be of specific value to a community like LB (Geriatric Care? Physical Therapy/ Sports Rehabilitation/ Orthopaedics?/ Oncology?) as a win/ win compromise. What I don’t get, and ask that someone kindly explain, is how this hospital, a private entity that was the lone bidder for LBMC can be compelled to do anything other than what is in their perceived self interest with the package they bought as it was brokered by various federal and state agencies (including FEMA, I believe) and elected representatives, I think SNCH knows what you want Ed. I think FEMA would take action if there is some violation involved.

  14. @TTMS, the FEMA money (more than 180 million) must be spent in Long Beach on the damaged hospital. What underhanded former and current politicians are trying to do is claim that the bulk of the money can be spent in Oceanside and throw us some farce of an ER as a substitute. Notice how SN Community H is now “Communities”? FEMA, (under lobbyist pressure) wants to pass the money off to Albany and the NYS Dept of Health and say it’s up to you to spend it wisely in the “area” of where Long Beach Hospital was (like a town away). Try spending your flood insurance on another house out of town and watch how fast they lock you up. SNCH bought the property so they can flip it to a developer. Why do you think they are knocking on doors over there asking people to sell? It’s a scam to develop the waterfront property and take the bulk of the money to pay for the ever expanding Oceanside facility. FEMA’s feet should be held to the fire. This is a bait and switch of epic proportions.

  15. TTMS and CAVE are right on. Where will this very, very large chunk of money end up? What political figure will step up and shine the spotlight on this situation?
    What??? You say nobody? TILB! Time for a third party

  16. What political figure? Our assemblyman-elect, Todd Kaminsky, made this a centerpiece of his campaign. He said he would be all over federal and state authorities and SNCH to make sure LB got the benefit of the $$ and not just an emergency room. Todd, where are you and what are you doing?

  17. The Point was that the South Nassau letter stated that the City Manager and all the Council were steadfastly and unequivocally in lockstep with South Nassau’s plan to use FEMA funds in Long Beach and” elsewhere ” . That is why it was brought to the City Councils attention. The Council and the City Manager had not seen the letter or the plan and had not approved of using the funds designated for Long Beach anywhere else. I sincerely hope everyone gets the connection. Our City Fathers are very definitely entrusted with fighting for the Health and Safety of our Community. Therefore They should use their seats of Power to advocate for a Hospital. So should every Citizen on this Barrier Island .

  18. Because that Private Entity is being given 170 million dollars of Tax Payer Money. To restore to Long Beach that which was destroyed by Superstorm Sandy. If they were using ALL of their money we would not have much of a case. Sen. Schumer helped to get this money from the Federal Government to restore what was destroyed. We never had a 500 bed Hospital. We need a small Hospital a satellite Hospital .

  19. To have a Voice doesn’t mean you have control. South Nassau said they were speaking FOR the Council when they said they were going to use the funds in Long Beach AND ELSEWHERE . The City Council said that was NOT true. That’s why they are involved . If someone of authority said our City Council supported ISIS or welcomed Ebola patients we would bring it to their attention also. The City is also concerned about the Health and Safety of its Residents and have publicly stated at the Long Beach Must Have a Hospital Rally that FEMA Funds must be used in Long Beach. They partnered with Beachtobaycentralcouncil in sponsoring the Rally.

  20. Todd, Zapson and the City Council are probably planning to profit form the 20 story condos that will replace the hospital. You really don’t think that the same people who looted the hospital (Todd’s father was a board member) would miss this opportunity to pad their pockets, do you?

    Wake up and realize that these Democrats are screwing you again!

  21. Hold on there @Jodi S.This isn’t the Nobel Peace Prize. You can’t vilify, or give praise, to the guy for what he might do. Long Beach supported Todd because we have confidence in his ability to do right by us. If Todd is demanding the ALL the FEMA money be spent in Long Beach to restore a Hospital, then let’s get behind him again. True, you can effectively argue that LBMC was looted by past board members, lawyers, and certain Chamber members as well as becoming a patronage mill, however, start looking at who is in charge now. Google the new Board of Directors, the ones from South Nassau, and the picture soon emerges of the waterfront property development plan. It’s not just Democrats. When it comes to lining pockets, Nassau County, Long Beach and most of America, has become an amorphous blob of thieves without a D, R. or I after their name.

  22. Enough talk, let’s act! I sent the following email to SNCH CEO, FEMA contact, State reps, Senator Schumer and our local civic group. Take 2 minutes to write your email expressing your views.

    My email subject: Use FEMA Funds Exclusively for Long Beach Situated Emergency Facility and Hospital

    The recent South Nassau Community Hospital “Progress Report” sent to Long Beach residences states that SNCH is considering the use of FEMA funds at both the Long a Beach Medical Center and “elsewhere”.

    Please support the use of FEMA funds exclusively in Long Beach, restoring service to a community that desperately needs a hospital and the associated benefits.

    Sent to:

    RMurphy@SNCH.rg
    RyanStreeter@FEMA.dhs.gov
    Kyle_Strober@Schumer.Senate.gov
    LKing@NYSenate.gov
    SMandel@LongBeachNY.org

  23. South Nassau Community Hospital’s primary responsibility is to care for its patients and it has been successful at doing that. I know it is common for people to say, “my old “insert great relative here”, who was 96 years old with diabetes was at South Nassau and they could have saved him/her but they died therefore South Nassau is a horrible hospital”. Of course that is a personal sentiment but it does miss the point that South Nassau serves patients well an excellent majority of the time. They have also served Long Beach people (as I’m one of them who lost my home), also lost a hospital that was 5 minutes away and now have to drive 15 min to SN. Yes 15 minutes for dear friends last night who dropped off a family member with a cat bite infection.
    South Nassau Community Hospital bought the Long Beach Medical Center package in response to both the wants, needs and complaints from members of Long Beach, but I don’t see Long Beach community members extending any gratitude for South Nassau taking on this responsibility.
    I love my community, and South Nassau might make a lot of sense rebuilding Long Beach’s medical campus more inland, and developing the waterfront . I only ask those who are attempting to shame South Nassau for utilizing some of the $180 million after all the efforts they’ve put forth to the southern Nassau region that they take a moment themselves and ask what is more proactive and less reactive? How can we turn our emotions into devotion about what the futture can provide? If we say that we ‘want’ a bayfront park -promenade, we want a medical campus in more central Long Beach, and farther from the flood prone north shore, let’s get on the board of directors, and turn that ‘want’ into a ‘like.’ I understand jobs are important, but before waving the jobs card to South Nassau’s board of directors, how about complement them for their continued job of providing adequate care, for their willingness to step up and deal with all of the red tape from the department of health- reports and mandatory procedures with the Long Beach medical center. I really hope I help open people up to seeing that what was here is not returning, and what will be developed is based more on South Nassau’s board of director’s combined wisdom for our micro community in the macro which is the southern shore of Nassau County consisting of 145,000 residents. South Nassau hospital has always been a strong foundation for this area which is capable of investing in medical advancements and technology. Rather than relying on an organization that is in debt to invest in such hospital elements.
    People have every right to complain that they feel betrayed that South Nassau invested $20 million into the bankrupted LBMC (spare me from the Burger report citing, because no one is suggesting Long Beach be left without an Emergency medical facility) and don’t like that South Nassau intends to use some of the $180 million FEMA funds for itself, but unless those complainers plan to become a shareholder, and have another shareholder nominate them to run for a spot on South Nassau’s board of directors then I would advise them to come back to reality. South Nassau is going to expect to use $20 million of the $180 million FEMA funds to buttress their mainland infrastructure which was pretty much overwhelmed due to the impacts of Sandy, the reality is that even spending $1 billion on a Long Beach Hospital doesn’t guarantee anyone that when confronted by a Future Super Storm that doctors’ nurses’, themselves won’t need to evacuate, doesn’t guarantee the other required factors (water, sewage, enough generator energy to back up a weeks long power loss,etc) will be present to sustain the hospital to work while administrators and doctors and nurses themselves lost their homes and are putting their families back together.

  24. Thank you CAVE and Mrs. Libutti for your responses. I appreciate you points but still wonder if your assertion that “the FEMA money (more than 180 million) must be spent in Long Beach on the damaged hospital” is absolutely accurate. Is it must or should? Is it the entire 180M or the amount necessary to provide excellent emergency care for the barrier island while the remainder is better targeted to provide the region wide excellent full spectrum care that Joey Naham accurately references (SNCH gets excellent grades for its care in all professional reviews-lucky for us!)? I’ll use ED’s links to write a letter expressing my expectation that those funds provide what we require and the hope that SNCH considers placing some other ancillary care departments in LB. I don’t think there’s been enough critical talk Ed. I don’t think a mob mentality drives thoughtful policy. Please convince me otherwise if you find my views on this misguided… I am openminded.

  25. Mr. Glister, why not send a copy to Todd and Zapson? They stand to make the most on the condos replacing the hospital. And while you’re at it, you friend Weisenberg clammed up pretty quickly too! Either you don’t get it or you’re in on it.

  26. I wish someone would explain how or why the FEMA rules would be different because it is a hospital. The city had to spend the funds allotted to the boardwalk on the boardwalk. Residents have to spend the funds allotted to repair their homes on their homes. So why would that be different for the hospital?

    Personally, I would rather not see condos built on the property, but as long as we got a small hospital complete with ER, ambulatory surgical suite, testing facilities and some inpatient beds somewhere readily accessible, here on the barrier island I would be ok with it.

    LB has an aging population and many children, not to mention 4 large nursing facilities here in town and 1 just over the bridge. It is not unreasonable to want the same availability of care that we had prior to Sandy.

  27. Thank you Joey Naham for your very well-thought-out comments. Likewise, Phyllis Libutti and C Peck ask a good question regarding the rules that must be followed with FEMA funds. Trying-to-make-sense, thanks again for asking some critical questions, and investing time to convey your thoughts to our politicians. Jodi..ha, once again your comments don’t deserve a response.

    I do want to respond to Tryings’ inference that I’m suggesting “a mob mentality” to drive public policy. Quite the contrary…I’m suggesting that we express ourselves in a democratic way.

    SNCH sent us a letter. It stated that an engineering report would be completed in 30 days, providing “information essential to making a decision” regarding the use of FEMA funds both at the LBMC campus and “elsewhere”.

    Engineers and Architects can count things and $, but this decision is about more than that. Long Beach’s loss of full-service care is a critical loss. The absence of jobs has a huge economic impact. The value of us feeling whole again probably won’t be calculated by the Engineers. All of these factors, and our voices, need to be considered.

    TTMS, in our democracy we have the right (and I feel the obligation) to express our thoughts on this. The 30 days will pass quickly. Some people may want to wait longer until they voice their opinion. I feel the time to act is now.

  28. The City Council’s responsibility is to care for the citizens of the Long Beach Community. Why you have linked fighting for a hospital in Long Beach with looking for jobs rather than being the watchdog for the health, welfare and safety of this community is beyond me. The City Council should be in the forefront of this push by being activist leaders in contacting South Nassau Communities Hospital (SNCH)… that would not be political, it would be doing their jobs! Should the bridges be up or traffic be prohibitive, anyone with a life-threatening issue needing to get to a hospital would have true problems. There can be a revamp of the concept of “hospital” without needing 500 beds. No one is saying the City Council “has control” – but people do say that as the head of our community, elected to be the watchdog of the health, welfare and safety of our community, the City Council should be fighting for a hospital without being pushed to do so.

    Is politics involved? Of course… State Senator Skelos would prefer the FEMA money be used for SNCH since that would take care of his community; former Senator Al D’Amato’s company represents SNCH, so where do his loyalties lie? That is where the politics get involved… our barrier island needs protection… no one has done a study to find out how many people may have died because there was no hospital or emergency health facility that could care for life-threatening issues.

  29. “TTMS, in our democracy we have the right (and I feel the obligation) to express our thoughts on this” Ed, I think you know that this civics lesson is unnecessary. That said, it is our larger obligation as citizens to consider the broader impacts of our demands. I think most of us also support improving efficiencies in our health care delivery system by cutting costs and enhancing services. Toward that end, many smaller hospitals, most struggling financially have closed (on LI, there used to be a hospital in Bayville/ Oyster Bay, a north shore barrier beach like community). CPecks reasonable expectation noted, it would seem this could be accomplished by providing a state of the art, fully equipped emergency room with limited bed space that would eventually enable transfer to a high quality regional hospital ( which SNCH apparently is, based on all evaluative reports) or specialty hospitals like Sloane Kettering , St. Francis, Hospital for Special Surgery, etc. when required. That SNCH might consider adding to the LB ER campus some specialty departments that meet the unique needs of our population and draw clients from throughout the region would be wonderful (I intend to suggest a sports medicine/ physical therapy/ orthopedic center that services our activity driven culture in my letter). Lynn Gergen’s post made the point that our local elected officials ought to be actively lobbying SNCH for what our community needs, I trust they are but believe they will be most effective if they advocate for things that corellate with the future of health care delivery, not demanding a replacement of what is past, and gone, and was dysfunctional (LBMC was a financial mess that SNCH was the only bidder for and only bought after much pot sweetening). Lynn also suggested that their has been no study showing how many patients have been harmed or died because of LBMC’s absence over the past two years. You acknowledge the importance of good data Ed. What we do know is that it’s absence has created big problems for barrier island EMS as they struggle to have ambulances and crews available after a delivery to SNCH, but I would hypothesize that any negative health care outcomes would be well publicized by now, families that suffered having accessed news media, blogs, or politicians who enjoy the warmth of the cameras. You know, NIMBY (NOT in MY back yard) is troublesome but MBIMBY (MUST be in MY backyard) is equally problematic when it stands in the way of a broader,progressive common good. That’s all I’m saying in my long winded way. Along with voting for and making calls for Mr. Kaminisky, this blog effort is my small attempt at citizenship, trying to think out loud with my fellow citizens, being open minded to what I read, and thoughtful in what I put out here… just trying to make sense of things.

  30. @Joey, writing more does not make you more right. You argue that the primary responsibility of SNCH is patient care. Then they should stay out of underhanded, sneaky real estate deals to the detriment of Long Beach residents. Google these names, Alfonse D`Amato, Park Strategies, SNCH Board member Anthony Cancellieri, SNCH Board member John Vitale, Long Beach Economic Development Director Patricia Bourne, South Nassau Communities Hospital Carnation Ball, and look up the lobbying go on for FEMA funds at http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/client_reports.php?id=D000056932&year=2014 and then get back to me and let me know how much of what SNCH is doing in Long Beach with OUR hospital is primarily focused on patient care. All anyone has to do is spend 15 minutes on Google and insert the key players in the area and a picture always emerges. Millions have been spent on repair to the hospital already. 180 million more is in the pipeline. Don’t throw us some farce of an ER under the guise of medical care consolidation etc. Call it for what it is. A get rich scheme on the development of LBMC property with no concern for jobs, quality and much needed medical care, and the local economy.

  31. CAVE, why are we the only people who know these things? This is business as usual in Long Beach. Whether LBMC, iStar, tree trimming or boardwalk Christmas lights, the motivation is money into connected pockets. Always has been.

    Long Beach has seen every rotten money-grab you can name. Kohut’s parking meter scandal, “Reverend Ike,” the firing of the LBPD.

    Have you read “Scoundrels by the Sea”? A great book on Long Beach corruption and money-grabs through the years. An education for the uninformed.

  32. Ok CAVE, but farce? Overstatement maybe ? You seem to think that connecting a few dots tells the whole story. It usually doesn’t. You cherry pick factoids and avoid questions you’d rather not take on? Ok, but don’t suggest conclusive privilege in your presentation if you seek the truth. I take your concerns very seriously but they don’t alter my conclusion re health care. Mr. Kaminsky is an ex prosecutor, I voted for him to shine a light on your allegations. Perhaps you might consider some points made contrary to your desires. I want as much of that 180 G spent in LB too, to improve LB health care delivery and ancillary local economy issues in LB. I live in LB, have a big stake here, but experience good access to quality health care, look forward to what is lacking, a state of the art ER, and understand that the reason SNCH was the only bidder and took on the challenge is that 180G and the real estate. Thanks for the conversation. I’ll write a letter and e-mail it to do my part. Now it’s over and out, my bronchitis is in remission, I’m repeating myself, time to get active outdoors to be a healthy old man.

  33. I’d write to *Republican* conservative congressmen from the midwest. Tell *them* how the badly-needed FEMA money has been misallocated. They thought it would restore our way of life, rather than build many “Bridges to Nowhere.” *They* could get the publicity, we need, not the New York Uniparty people.I imagine even wore misallocations are going on it areas like Staten Island where so many (23 souls) died in addition to physical destruction like ours.

  34. At the last LB Chamber of Commerce meeting the Nassau County Comptroller stated that the County’s growth strategy is to develop Health-Care-Realted-Industries over the next 10 tears.

    Long Beach should try to align with that strategy. A new, modern hospital could be consistent with that growth strategy. It doesn’t seem to me that a small emergency facility ties into that growth strategy as well.

  35. FWIW — just 2 hours ago, I was riding my bike west on Penn b/t Riverside and Edwards where an emergency scene was unfolding. Someone slipped and fell on a sheet of ice in front of a house landscaped just yesterday, where apparently the sprinkler system froze/burst creating the situation. The injured woman was taken away on a stretcher in a Point Lookout FD ambulance. A neighbor across the street from the slip and fall, who was working on his driveway when the incident occurred and offered help from the get-go reported that the ambulance (a Pt Lookout ambulance) took 30 or minutes to get there from the call to 911. The LB Police were there in 5 minutes, a LB Fire Truck in 15, but the ambulance 30 minutes from the call. Query, where were the LBFD ambulances? On a run back/forth to SNCH? The neighbor said thank God it wasn’t a heart attack situation. Yes, thank God. But WTH.

  36. This scam/deal is in the bag – you can write letters and scream all you want, nothing is going to change. This is the way Long Beach works, its been corrupt like this for decades. Sandy was a disaster for homeowners here – for the politically well connected, they never let a crisis go to waste. Money for their projects and their pockets, and 400% increases on flood insurance premiums for you and me, combined with sinking home values as new buyers can’t get mortgages because they can’t afford the flood premiums.

  37. Sam, how the heck do you know this is a scam? What facts do our have this is a scam?

    Over the last few weeks you said no one should shop in LB, or live in LB. Now you assert this proposal is all a scam. What a positive voice.

    Saying “scam” is easy, but supporting it with facts is a challenge. I doubt you can support any of these claims with facts. Prove us wrong: provide factually based statements or avoid saying stuff that has no real substance.

  38. Yes, but a new modern hospital 5 miles from SNCH is not what he was referencing . Why don’t you find the data to support your position that the barrier island needs its own full scale hospital?And let’s separate the health care needs issue from the economic development issue or just be unambiguous about the focus in this discussion. The emergency facility serves the actual health care needs of this barrier island and its EMS. Health care specialty units could work side by side with that necessary emergency facility and be what the Comptroller was referencing, not a duplication of services.We ought encourage and examination, by SNCH, of the benefits of bringing specialties to LB that are magnet. I mentioned sports med but geriatrics or other specialties could create a profitable health care related industry based on real needs. Jobs and commerce follow. Maybe, I’m no expert.

  39. Eddie, you need go no further than Newsdays investigative reports on corruption, cronyism , and insider hidden systems for accessing personal gain. Both parties, all levels of local munis, Long Beach doesn’t own the market on these games. That said, ” Scoundrels…” fun read. Why you know these things? Easy. You know ALL things. I know you lecture the world’s most prominent scientists on their mistaken conclusions about global warming on Patch. I remember. If only we knew who you are so that you could immediately be installed as our Grand High Mystic Ruler! LOL Only kidding a bit here Eddie. I truly respect your scholarship and knowledge

  40. Stand-alone emergency rooms are more costly per patient but generate more income for the owners. They get reimbursed at higher insurance rates, often mandated by the states. They earn more than either a small hospital or attached ER do. This is starting to be a “booming business” in some places. South Nassau will generate tons of income while having less support services for patients.

    “Speedier care offered at such facilities comes at a steep cost…”

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/07/11/stand-alone-emergency-rooms-popping-up/2510779/

    South Nassau: It’s a profit-making business. Follow the money. And that money will not end up here in Long Beach.

  41. @TtMS, Since neither you nor I are capable of personally collecting the data to support our positions on health care needs for the barrier island, would you be willing to accept the findings of the most comprehensive and independent report ever assembled on all of the hospitals in NY State and agreed upon by the NY State Health Department? If such a study meets your criteria I’ll offer a quote from that exhaustive report
    “Assessment – There are approximately 40,000 residents in Long
    Beach and its adjacent island communities. There is a relatively large concentration of nursing homes, adult homes and assisted living facilities in Long Beach, and 16% of the population is over 65 years old. Because of the concentration of healthcare and housing facilities for the elderly, summer-time surges in population, recreational and boating facilities, geographic isolation, and dependence on drawbridges to access the mainland, LBMC, despite its size and unstable financial situation, must remain open so that the community has appropriate access to emergency services and acute care”
    The man behind the report (The Hospital Hatchet Man) http://observer.com/2006/04/meet-the-hospital-hatchet-man-toughtalkin-stephen-berger-2/
    And here’s a link to the report if you’re so inclined http://www.nyhealthcarecommission.org/docs/final/commissionfinalreport.pdf

  42. Look at what is in the background of this picture.http://www.newsday.com/long-island/towns/island-park-residents-worry-proposed-18-million-apartment-complex-will-block-views-worsen-traffic-1.8991389
    Coming to Long Beach? http://www.newsday.com/long-island/towns/island-park-residents-wary-over-new-development-s-possible-flooding-1.6768882
    At any rate, what we have here is a Real Estate Developer on the Board of South Nassau with politicians pushing to allow for a GATED Hamlet” in Island Park directly across from the Hospital who just so happens to be a close friend of Al D’Amato. A second South Nassau Board Member who also happens to be the Vice President of D’Amato’s Lobbying firm, Park Strategies,who just so happens to be the one and only lobbyist firm South Nassau ever needed which coincidentally happens to have been paid to lobby for FEMA funds related to Superstorm Sandy. And to top it off, it looks like Long Beach has installed as our Economic Development director, a women who used to work with the South Nassau Board Member in County Government.
    So I ask you this – Is everyone OK with the idea that the NYS Health Department determines that our Hospital “must remain open”, it sustains damage in Sandy, FEMA allocates almost 200 million to repair it, it was ready to open in 2013, and now it’s going to become luxury housing (who knows, maybe even gated keeping Long Beach riff-raff out) and we will be getting some substandard replacement for that which we lost and the money will be siphoned off to Oceanside? Where are the damage reports? Was their a peer review by the same type of criminal entities that screwed our Long Beach families on the home damages?

  43. I thank you for sharing your information. I can only offer that the 2006 report was about keeping a facility open. Sandy changed the picture and created an opportunity for addressing the needs sighted differently, from a broader perspective, with respect to local and regional needs. The insider development implications due to the players involved are troubling, but do not necessarily make the argument that a full service hospital needs to be rebuilt when more efficient solutions are possible. We have elected officials at every level of government engaged on this and capable of intervention with FEMA regarding the funds or the NYS Health Dep’t regarding its mandates. Are you suggesting that Schumer, Skelos, now Kaminsky, and others are complicit in a development deal with gated communities? CAVE, I think you have a very sound basis for your suspicions regarding the deal, but would have to ask you why neither FEMA (re the 180M) or the NYS Dep’t of Health has not stepped into the picture in 2014.

  44. “Long Beach Medical Center should downsize by approximately 55 beds. Contingent on other developments, Long Beach should reconfigure as a smaller facility focused on emergency and ambulatory services.” CAVE, do note that this is from that 2006 report, page 22. It suggests to me that post Sandy destruction the NYSDoH would support a high quality emergency focused facility of very limited capacity. This is a lengthy report. However most of what you have shared does make the very clear argument that the State must prioritize efficiencies by eliminating waste and service duplication while encouraging consolidations and partnerships in a regional approach, no?

  45. Here’s a hospital “success story.” (… relatively speaking… ) There’s a small hospital in the Bronx formerly called Westchester Square Medical Center. It was struggling worse than LBMC, but years ago they decided to declare bankruptcy to keep the place intact. Like LBMC, their ER and certain other services were badly needed by the area. Much wiser decisions were made than by Long Beach. Perhaps this was partially because the Hospital answered to a Community Board, besides the typical agencies. The place was a lot more run down than Long Beach. But Montefiore Medical Center bought it recently for $15 million. They’ve kept the ER open right through, running better than before. They will not be an inpatient hospital again, but are considering other services. They’ve saved most of the jobs, and will continue to have a presence in that community:

    Local newspaper about saving the crumbling hospital-

    http://www.norwoodnews.org/id=12911&story=leaner-and-cleaner-westchester-square-hospital-gets-a-new-life/

    Montefiore just bought Westchester Square in 2013, so a lot of decisions are still being made. Montefiore info for the community-

    http://www.montefiore.org/westchestersquare

  46. @Anthony – Can you offer any guidance about what comments get “held for review?” I just wrote one that’s being held. I strongly favor moderation, and I know you don’t impose your own positions at all. You mentioned once that very long comments are sometimes held by your spam detector. This post wasn’t *too* long. I had two links in my post, and I’m curious if that can also slow things down. Sorry to go off topic.

  47. TTMS, I think we may be close to agreement. You cited the 2006 study. I’ll cite it as well.

    The study said “The City of Long Beach needs a health care facility…with relatively few beds (145 certified beds)…with a focus on emergency and ambulatory care, with a limited number of clinical services, with adequate capacity to stabilize and transfer patients with more complicated cases.”

    This recommendation downsizes from the prior hospital configuration, but recognizes the community’s health care needs. Anything less (e.g. Only an emergency facility) compromises those needs.

    Let’s support this approach, and nothing less (or more, if not economically feasible). This approach works well with SNCH as the managing organization. Further, let’s not discount the economic value for Long Beach or the propriety of investing FEMA funds where the loss occurred.

  48. Indeed, yet you must note that you cite pre Sandy numbers that presupposed dealing with an operating facility which is why I think a meaningful input would be a 2014 recommendation from the NYS Dep’t of Health and a very clear operational vision of the emergency center being proposed from SNCH. I have never discounted the economic value of SNCH investment in LB nor have I overstated it as some may be doing. I noted the value of a viable state of the art ER Center with adequate facilities and magnet departments of care that correlate to our community profile as part of an efficient region wide approach to health care delivery. People constantly complain about tax increases yet resist sensible consolidations and appropriate downsizing that seek to achieve sustainability and efficiency. I am merely talking out loud about that disconnect in that the 2006 report is an attempt to address that bloat that wreaks havoc on our NYS budget. I agree that supporting a downsized facility that supports real needs as they exist today and going forward is what makes sense. Happy Thanksgiving . And thank you for engaging in this public discussion that helps me and may help others make sense a complex issue.

  49. Attached are emails to and from the President South Nassau Community Hospital, Richrd Murphy, and his Community Relations liaison, Gail Carlin. I have asked for data regarding the impact on medical services to LB patients, if there is a LB-based hospital vs. one “elsewhere”.Also, commented on the equity of using FEMA funds “elsewhere” I’ll share the response when received.

    From: Edward Glister
    Date: December 17, 2014 at 11:49:53 AM EST
    To: “Gail.Carlin@SNCH.org”
    Subject: Fwd: Use FEMA Funds Exclusively for Long Beach Situated Emergency Facility and Hospital

    Ms. Carlin, thank you for returning yesterday’s phone call.

    As mentioned in today’s conversation, attached are the emails Mr. Murphy and I have exchanged recently. After you have read them, please call me to discuss this subject.

    In particular, the Long Beach Community would appreciate understanding several facts related to SNCH’s decision to locate hospital facilities “elsewhere”. Specifically, what was SNCH’s assessment regarding the service levels that Long Beach residents and visitors would experience if the hospital was located in Long Beach vs. “elsewhere”?

    While the quality of hospital service is our primary concern, please be kind enough to also comment on the equity of taking FEMA funds, which were paid for Long Beach’s loss, and reappropriating them “elsewhere”.

    Respectfully submitted,
    Ed Glister 80 Oregon St Long Beach, NY 11561. 917-312-1219

    From: Edward Glister
    Date: December 16, 2014 at 10:32:04 AM EST
    To: “Murphy, Richard”
    Subject: Re: Use FEMA Funds Exclusively for Long Beach Situated Emergency Facility and Hospital
    Mr. Murphy, thank you for your attached response.

    While I, and many members of the Long Beach community, appreciate your actions to improve health care in Nassau, we are deeply troubled that most of the services will be located “elsewhere”.

    Long Beach, with over 30,000 residents, has always been a city that requires the full array of health care services. And while we applaud your “commitment” to “high quality health care”, we are troubled by your decision to build these solutions “elsewhere”.

    I will follow your suggestion and call Ms. Carlin to express my discontent with the decision to use FEMA funds “elsewhere”. And, I will contact others to similarly voice their anger and displeasure.

    Your decision will impact the service delivery time and quality to Long Beach residents and visitors (our summer visitors significantly increase the potential number of patients impacted).

    Further, it is at best illogical, and clearly unfair, to take FEMA funds that reflect Long Beach’s loss and which you plan to invest “elsewhere”.

    Perhaps you can use the web site to answer why you have elected to reduce patient services to Long Beach, and why you plan to use Long Beach’s FEMA funds “elsewhere”.

    I thank you in advance for providing that written explanation to our greatly affected community.
    Ed Glister. 80 Oregon St. Long Beach, New York. 11561. 917-312-1219

    On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:19 AM, “Murphy, Richard” wrote:
    Dear Mr. Glister,
    Thank you for your email concerning the most recent South Nassau Communities Hospital “Progress Report.”

    We are committed to building a patient-centered, high-quality healthcare delivery system that restores vital healthcare services to the residents of Long Beach and surrounding communities.

    In its 86-year history, South Nassau has continuously assessed, planned, and then taken action to advance its mission in ways that made the most efficient use of its resources. That formula is being followed as we continue the process of developing a plan to invest South Nassau’s own funds (90 percent of which may be approved for reimbursement by FEMA) on the significant development of new regional healthcare facilities, programs and services (including emergency services) that serve areas of high community need, including Long Beach and surrounding communities.

    If you have additional questions as we move forward with our plans to provide standard-setting healthcare services that meet the residents’ needs, don’t hesitate to contact me or Gail Carlin, director of community relations, at (516) 377-5370. We encourage you to stay informed of events happening on the Long Beach campus through the special web site we have built at http://www.SouthNassauLongBeach.org. The web site will always have the latest information.

    Sincerely, Richard J. Murphy, President & CEO, South Nassau Communities Hospital

    From: Edward Glister [mailto:edglister@gmail.com]
    Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:44 AM
    To: Murphy, Richard; JFennessy@SNCH.org; RyanStreeter@FEMA.dhs.gov; Kyle_Strober@Schumer.Senate.gov; LKing@NYSenate.gov Cc: SMandel@LongBeachNY.org

    Subject: Use FEMA Funds Exclusively for Long Beach Situated Emergency Facility and Hospital

    The recent South Nassau Community Hospital “Progress Report” sent to Long Beach residences states that SNCH is considering the use of FEMA funds at both the Long Beach Medical Center and “elsewhere”.

    Please support the use of FEMA funds exclusively in Long Beach, restoring service to a community that desperately needs a hospital and the associated benefits.

    Ed Glister. 80 Oregon St, Long Beach. 917-312-1219

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