Recent shootings are making residents nervous. [REPORT] More Alleged Gun Shots near West Market Street on Thursday? [Not breaking news, but a topic to discuss as concerned residents]

[Disclaimer: This is a blog, not a newspaper. This is not ‘breaking news,’ but a topic for us to discuss as concerned residents. If anybody has anything to add, please do so. Don’t spread any false rumors, just facts]

I am hearing reports from various people about an alleged shooting near West Market Street on Thursday morning. This apparently happened right near the Police Station.  One person tells me how they are feeling less and less safe in Long Beach, referring to the recent gun shootings from just nine days ago in North Park (see – Long Beach Herald: Two men shot near Channel Park Homes).  “This needs to stop. It doesn’t make any sense to me. Only a few blocks from my home,” says another resident. There was also other shootings in Long Beach last September and in June.

Another topic of discussion: What the hell is going on?

 

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69 thoughts on “Recent shootings are making residents nervous. [REPORT] More Alleged Gun Shots near West Market Street on Thursday? [Not breaking news, but a topic to discuss as concerned residents]”

  1. What’s going on? The core constituency of the people elected to run this place is Section 8 and welfare. They are bring brought here in droves.

    Contrary to what Allison would say, these aren’t disabled hero veterans, single moms and senior citizens. They are gangsters, drug dealers and felons.

    They deserve a nice place to live, and you are giving it to them. Your leaders are moving you out to move them in.

    Shootings number 1,2 3,4,and 5 on Long Island for 2015 were in Long Beach.

    You are watching what happened to Freeport, Roosevelt, Mastic and Rockaway. Change your leadership and the gunfights, crime, welfare housing and squalor will change too. Otherwise, you can build a safe room to hide in at night.

  2. Can someone explain to me in a factual matter how this happened? Is this area around the train a legacy from the 70’s when LB was a dumping ground for criminals, the elderly and the mentally insane? Is government subsidized housing growing in LB or is it status quo but the bad apples to people down on their luck ratio has taken a turn for the worse?

  3. “Change your leadership and the gunfights, crime, welfare housing and squalor will change too.”

    Unless you can find superhero leadership to squash systematic racism that perpetuates oppression, generating criminal activity as the only means of economic opportunity in the absence of access to education then yeah you can go ahead and stuff.

  4. As an individual that works in the social sector field I do believe the section 8 program is beneficial to many of those in need. However, the system is so unbelievably abused. It also drives me nuts they can live in our beautiful town for pennies and my husband and I can’t even afford to buy here…. The fact that this is happening right by the police station is even more unfathomable.

  5. Maybe we change leadership to candidates in support of shifting this systematic racism (that perpetutes oppression, criminal activity et. al.) The F out of Long Beach

  6. The problem with Section 8 is even if you support it as a means to help good people who need a hand, NO ONE wants it in their backyard. Which is of course a fundamental flaw with creating it, there’s only 1 way Section 8 drives a neighborhood, right into the ground.

  7. My husband said he heard gun shots yesterday morning really early. We usually hear them from hunters in the channel, but he said this sounded too close to home. Do we change leaders or revamp the LBPD?

  8. The LBPD is run by political hacks appointed by the Party. That’s part of the problem. Having an impotent police department only strengthens the leadership. Why do you think they allow mopes to control the LIRR station? To hard to throw them out?

    This place is rotten from the top. It’s the same Party that drove it to shambles in the 1960’s. Blockbusting, welfare, Section 8.

    This is Obama’s America, folks. And you elected it.

  9. The MTA controls the LIRR station, not LBPD.

    What the hell does this small town’s government have to do with the president of an entire country? Do you actually believe this drivel or are you just trying to get a rise out of people?

  10. Are you sure these were gun shots? There were a few transformers on poles that blew up early Friday morning when the wind shorted out the primaries. Sounded like bombs.

  11. @Ronnie, A safe room is a great idea. I had my Architect include it on my 6100 and NY Rising approved it instantly. The only problem is it now has to be elevated on a single post and they are using my Scratch-off game winnings as a Duplication of Benefits.

  12. I’ll ask you the same as I ask everyone else who brings the point up….because I honestly want to know. Can you show me some data that shows an increase in Section 8 housing over recent years (since the current admin came into office). So far, no one has gotten back to me on the request. hopefully you’re different, Ronnie. Thanks.

  13. Here is the link for “statistics” that I found on the HUD website. Maybe someone smarter than me (Eddie…you seem to understand this type of stuff as a landlord) can interpret the results:

    http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/program_offices/public_indian_housing/systems/pic/50058/rcr

    The one thing that I did find stunning in the report for NY is the number of people who are basically lifers in the affordable housing system. Just goes to show you how a program that was supposed to provide temporary assistance becomes a permanent benefit.

  14. Can someone please tell me what section 8 has to do with a shooting. Too many people need to stop stereotyping people because of who they are and where they live. Fact: Not all low income families are on section 8. Fact: Not all people that live in these areas are criminals, addicts, or unemployed. Fact: there are good, law biding , hard working , respectful people that live in those areas. There are people who are working hard to stop all these senseless acts in those communities . But truthfully some of yall wouldnt even care.

  15. Because the shootings (of which there have been multiple) continue to happen in Section 8 housing. Either the residents are the problem or the people that they associate with are. Either way…we don’t like it.

  16. John,
    I was always curious if there was an actual increase in Section 8 in Long Beach. According to the HUD portal in June of 2010 there were 368 voucher leases in the Long Beach Housing Authority Area, in July of 2014 the total was 389.

    Only Hempstead has more units in Nassau, LB has over 15% of the Section 8 in Nassau and 2.36% of our housing stock is rented under the section 8 program as opposed to 0,55% of Nassau County’s stock.

    Is a 5.7% increase in Section 8 housing over 4 years significant? If it is in the house next to you it might be.

    http://catalog.data.gov/dataset/housing-choice-voucher-program-support-division-psd

    and

    http://catalog.data.gov/dataset/public-housing-agency-pha-inventory

  17. John, I have tried to find out this information myself, yet it is not easily available. And anytime you can’t easily find info on a government run program (paid for with YOUR tax dollars) there is a very good chance that the program is rife with abuse and corruption, think welfare in the 80s and 90s. As someone tied to the RE market here in LB I can tell you that we have gottena great deal more complaints about section eight especially for first floor apartments that are in the flood zone since the average renter wants no part of renting an apt that can potentially flood. So what happens, the scumbag LL turns to section 8 since he can easily rent it to them and get a goverment check every month for the “fair market value” cause the dopes at section 8 don’t realize they should be paying less since the apt is prone to flooding. The end is there is a good deal more section 8 now you just need to look and ask cause the facts are hard to come by. And it needs to stop or we’re gonna be in trouble.

  18. John,
    I have a comment awaiting moderation that will show that section 8 has in fact increased in LB (according to HUD)

    Unless we have a possible new topic for Conspiracy Thursday, it should be appearing soon

  19. The area behind the train and lbpd is run by the LB Housing Authority, which is a joke in and of itself, the easiest comparison is to the “projects” in the city. So you want to clean it up? Put cameras everywhere. Get the LBPD off their scared white asses and start patrolling the area seriously (at six digit salaries we can demand that). Put someone with a brain in charge of LB Housing Authority. And finally, elect people who will actually make the first three suggestions happen! Cause the current administration wants no part of that area except to get their votes on election day.

  20. Any official comment from the LBPD? If this happened again right next to the police department, someone needs to start answering serious questions.

  21. Can anyone explain what the Long Beach Housing authority actually is? What their responsibilities are? Who runs it? Do our city taxes fund the maintenance of LBHA properties?

  22. How is there an absence of education? I got the same public education from LBHS that everyone in this area is given as I took out the loans that are also available to the people in this area as well- so where is the absence? It’s available- it may not be being accessed but it is available.

  23. And they will keep electing it again and again, the voting demographics of LB are such that no true opposition party will ever be elected in LB again. It’s done, it’s over. Alot of long term residents see the trends that many are pointing out here, lived through this before in LB, and are quietly selling their houses and getting out of here.

  24. “Criminal activity as the only means of economic opportunity in the absence of access to education” ? Are you serious? Or did you travel back in a time machine to 1967 and pull that quote from my 11 th grade essay on institutionalized racism. Damn it’s 2015 and your read on this problem comes across as downright demeaning to all of the real victims in the impacted neighborhood and to all of us who pay the taxes that provide a pretty decent educational opportunity as well as special education and social services for all families in the Long Beach School District.

  25. Enough of the photo ops and vigils!

    Time for that whole area to be bulldozed and new fair market apartments to be built for people who actually work and contribute to society!

    Time for LBPD to earn their 6 digit salaries or get out and let NCPD take over!

    I really want to stay here and raise my family along the ocean but I’m RAPIDLY losing confidence that this town/city will make a turn in the right direction.

  26. I meant to type in the absence of EQUAL access to education but I am sure the responses would have been the same.If you think minorities – specifically black and hispanics- have access to the same educational opportunities then you need an education on your white privilege.

  27. Oh I get it- you are only capable of discussing this issue within a neatly contained zip code.
    The point of this was I responded to Ronnie who thinks voting Republican will mean removing all the criminals. “Change your leadership and the gunfights, crime, welfare housing and squalor will change too. “

  28. The Democrap Party needs to promulgate Racism, Sexism and Class War for its very survival.

    Otherwise, it has nothing to offer except, Dead Babies, Higher Taxes and Terrorist Rights.

    The only thing more shamefully than the Racist History of the Democrap Party, is it’s horrible mistreat of women.

  29. I was talking about THE issue in question which is in LB. Your whithering generality is neither accurate in 2015, or particularly useful in rebutting the ridiculous generalization you reference.

  30. I’m a teacher in the long beach public schools and for you to even dare say that we don’t equally educate white, Hispanics, and blacks is not only absolutely ridiculous but blatantly ignorant. If you would like to educate yourself on your misinformed opinion I would welcome you into my classroom any day and see that all students are educated equally- and with your ignorant statement I’ll add- it would be nearly impossible to have white, black, and Hispanics sitting in the same classroom, for the same lessons to all get a different education. Furthermore, as a teacher it would go against our growth scores to not equally educate all races. As teachers, every child is assessed by nationally and/state normed exams and EVERY child must show growth. As well, when we analyze our data we do look at how gender and races do categorically to then tweak our instruction based on deficits of each various sub group. Also, when we may suspect that families aren’t sure how to work with their children at home, we do home visits and actually go to students houses with materials for then to keep as show families hat they can do at home. I would share my home visit materials and explanations with you a well. Or you could volunteer at the MLK center which I did to work with students before I started going back to school. I’d be more than happy to sit down with you over a cup of coffee and explain this further- maybe you can get an education on the reality of how our school system works.

  31. I’m a teacher in the long beach public schools and for you to even dare say that we don’t equally educate white, Hispanics, and blacks is not only absolutely ridiculous but blatantly ignorant. If you would like to educate yourself on your misinformed opinion I would welcome you into my classroom any day and see that all students are educated equally- and with your ignorant statement I’ll add- it would be nearly impossible to have white, black, and Hispanics sitting in the same classroom, for the same lessons and then differentiated instruction to get an unequal education. Furthermore, as a teacher it would go against our growth scores to not equally educate all races. As teachers, every child is assessed by nationally and/state normed exams and EVERY child must show growth. As well, we analyze our data we do look at how gender and races do categorically to then tweak our instruction based on deficits of each various sub group. Also, when we may suspect that families aren’t sure how to work with their children at home, we do home visits and actually go to students houses with materials for them to keep and show families what they can do at home. I would share my home visit materials and explanations with you a well. Or you could volunteer at the MLK center which I did with many other LBSD teachers, to work with students before I started going back to school. I’d be more than happy to sit down with you over a cup of coffee and explain this further- maybe you can get an education on the reality of how our school system works.

  32. Perhaps you mean “class privilege”? Which btw is not easily remedied in the real world but has been magically eradicated only in ideologically self satisfying polemics even as every socialist/communist educational adventure has failed the masses miserably. Yes, opportunity is never equal, but it has never been greater for all students anywhere. And I empathize with Lauren’s destain for your blanket condemnation of the good work she and other educators nationwide are doing everyday to enable real opportunity in the real world for all kids.

  33. I appreciate the time you spent writing that. My comments were more across the board and not pointing at lbhs. I am more analytic and able to look at the whole system outside on the lb.

    Now if you’ll excuse me for the evening, I am on my way to a drag show in the city.

  34. Not silly, stupid. “Criminal activity as the only access to economic opportunities” in the absence of equal educational opportunity? Demeaning and blatantly stupid even as I fully acknowledge the challenge of providing absolutely equal educational opportunity and especially so when you focus on the specific issue of this post, criminal activity in Long Beach.

  35. TTMS, I was responding to the first poster Ronnie and his irrational argument that the current party brought in Section 8 criminals, that another party could magically come in and rid the entire world (or LB, since nothing exists outside of it) of poverty and crime by corralling “them” out.
    This was no indictment of the LB school system anywhere, though it was nice of Lauren to clearly state what she did.

    My “whithering generality” over being specific to the neatly packaged and utterly non representative of the country LB is due to Ronnie’s original statement that the current party is bringing “them” here in droves.

    The specific crimes of this thread – those shootings- have nothing to do with the current political party as Ronnie would like us to believe and no party is going to prevent the stuff he is talking about because it is not a political thing, it is institutional and complex. Am I making more sense to you now? And yes, saying criminal activity as the only access to economic opportunities is true for SOME people but definitely not all- that would really be shitty to say and if it came across like that then I apologize. I was typing all of this on my phone heading into the city last night. Oh, the drag show was amazing btw.

  36. Apology accepted. Ronnie’s statement is beyond reproach and deserves no serious consideration. That said, to suggest that there hasn’t been terrific progress and effort made to provide decent educational opportunity within the context of a free society in which parents can choose school districts to live within and the state cannot rescue innocent children from dysfunctional parents who do nothing to support or enhance educational opportunity is unfair and upsetting to me, a former social studies educator, who committed a career to exposing “white priviledge” and the history of institutionalized racism and the power of the tendrils of our sorry history of imperialist stereotyping and cultural destruction. No, I don’t think premeditated or even disinterested acquiessence to unfair educational opportunity based on race can be used as a excuse for criminal enterprise in 2015, and certainly not in LB or most American schools. Progress will be made by addressing some of the inconvenient truths of the dilemma which are perhaps politically incorrect, but don’t negate the impact of that history and its tendrils. Respect.

  37. Fact: The present party running City Hall has brought 451 new Section 8 “customers” into Long Beach, and you are paying them to live here. The past party reduced the number of Section 8 cases from over 2500 to less than 500.

    Fact: Long Beach violent crime has increased 231% since these “customers” were brought here.

    Fact: Every shooting on Long Island this year has been in Long Beach and every suspect is black.

    Fact: Though 16% of Long Island is black, blacks are convicted in 92% of Long Island shootings.

    Fact: About 91% of blacks voted for the present Long Beach party.

    Your being offended does not change the facts. The constituency of the party in power in Long beach is indeed the garbage committing these crimes and their apologists — liberal parasites like Allison. I have an investment here. You don’t. Isn’t Far Rockaway more your style?

  38. In Long Beach, there really is only one political party who can win any election. Opposition is mostly token with positions hardly any different than what we have now. All the talk of LBers here about a “third party”, they are talking about a party even further to the left of the current dream team running LB into the ground.

  39. Not necessarily so re third party. Many local communities have them and they are not affiliated with either of the indistinguishable major parties.
    In fact I’m aware of some more conservative residents who have discussed such an idea but have been unable to do so for various personal reasons.
    If such a party or parties were formed and got into City Hall they would be confronted with an entrenched culture of ” this is the way it’s always been” and the unions.

  40. I’m only offended by your racist interpretation of “the facts”. Were you to simply state that having increasing numbers of unemployed, poorly educated, highly dependent, often gang affiliated, often substance abusing, in short, highly challenged and struggling and family dysfunctional residents in our community is a major concern for you, we’d have a beginning point for meaningful discussion. If you could respect Allison’s decency, understanding and empathy borne from her awareness of the history, the dehumanizing road that the families of many of these people have endured, the ongoing impact, the tendrils, as I’ve called them, we could continue the conversation. If you could show me how the local Democrats have orchestrated the influx you reference, I’d be all ears. Stupid me, I thought it had only to do with individual landlords, a few people I know, choosing to get tenants at generous Sec. 8 rates. I’m a resident and landlord in LB, 33 years now, married into a family of lifers. I intend to die here and have my ashes cast in to my beloved ocean. I’m a LB cheerleader and want only the highest quality of life here. I want good neighbors, black, white, straight, gay, Muslim, Jewish, even some folks whose struggle have required rent vouchers, just good, people committed to the betterment of their neighborhoods. Your interpretation of those cherry picked “facts” speaks volumes. Isn’t a gated community your style?

  41. Well said!! I came on this blog to better understand real issues in my community and thus far I’ve seen nothing but racist rants! It amazes me that in 2015 this is still apart of our conversation to a post about a shooting. There are good black people and there are bad. Same to be said about white people and all other races. Its sad that I don’t even want to continue on this blog because people constantly derail the threads with hateful hurtful comments. I would hate for those things to be said about my race. Terrible.

  42. The candidate with union support will win. The unions can mobilize their membership to produce the few votes needed to prevail. Police and fire seem to do quite well in this town, which may suggest that their is a quid pro quo system in place.

  43. please don’t blame me or the blog itself. I used to have control over the conversations, but moderating is impossible these days. That is why I wanted to use a different comment system, so you can all moderate yourselves. I am not liking the conversations that have been going on and it make me really question whether or not the blog should be continued.

  44. The last City Council election saw the elected candidates win with approximately 4,400 votes and the losers getting around 2,800 votes. If you are thinking third party alternatives you need to overcome those numbers.

  45. I just saw this. Not blaming blog but like every blog…people use it as an opportunity to bait people into talking about their issues or agenda. Your blog actually has given great info about my community! So I truly appreciate that…my husband and I need to be more involved but your site let’s is cheat just a little…hehe now if only I could learn to post under my Disqus account

  46. Sadly, Newsdays reports this morning reports that the man charged in the New Years Day shooting of two was charged two years earlier with attempted murder in LB. Sadder yet, Lt. Creegan reports the two current shooting victims are not cooperating in this investigation. The fear of reprisal is a major factor in effectively solving this neighborhood’s issue with guns.

  47. its the comments — good, bad, stupid, insightful, racist or compassionate (or some would say naive) that make me (and i assume a lot of other people) come back to this site). if the community can educate those like Ronnie — or if Ronnie and his bunch and educate can enlighten people like me -or if we more likely can all learn from each other – it would be great. Look i disagree with virtually everything Ronnie has to say but he at least did it in as respectful way as you can. The reason i stopped reading the patch is because the amount of local comments slowed down substantially. You are doing a great job. As long as the rants are not personal people should be able to get on their soap box

  48. More upstanding LB residents.

    http://www.liherald.com/longbeach/stories/Three-youths-arrested-in-gunpoint-robbery,66144

    Thankfully the Herald reports on this stuff, LB does a great job of keeping Newsday and News12 quiet.

    Time to stop flipping out about the FD and focus on the PD and who the city is importing into what has potential to be a great city wo all this bullsh!t….

    Cant wait to hear how its the fault of bankers and not their parents!!!!

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