Sustainability [Comprehensive Plan Update and Local Waterfront Revitalization Program Survey & Last Meeting]

UPDATE: Ok, some confusion over what I wrote here. I’m not saying how Long Beach is like Montauk in the sense of structure and community. It’s merely an example of what’s been happening to all of Long Island: middle class is being pushed out. What was once affordable, is no longer. Read this article: Seasonal-only rental trend worsens East End housing crunch

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I’m reading comments in this thread, watching my readers fight over affordability, section-8 housing and expensive one family homes. I do love how our community is for all, but sustainability is soooo freakin’ important. I’m worried Long Beach will go down the same path as Montauk, which is becoming ‘vacationland’ for the extremely rich, who are served by the extremely poor living in deplorable conditions:

“Drew Charles, 47, an East Hampton carpenter who created a Facebook group in 2013 to connect Hamptons renters with available homes, said the housing crisis has eroded what was a tight-knit community of South Fork locals — fishermen, tradespeople, retirees, middle-class professionals and service-industry workers who lived and worked there year-round.

“It’s not a community anymore,” he said. “It’s a vacationland.” [LINK]

We need to find balance and sustainability through jobs, population cap, tourism, zoning, transportation, etc.

A sustainable community is one that resembles a living system where all of the resources (human, natural and economic) are renewed and in balance for perpetuity. [LINK]

The city wants us to take the Comprehensive Plan Update and Local Waterfront Revitalization Program Survey [LINK] ‘to determine the City’s long term goals over the next 30 years.’  The last meeting is this Thursday, June 18th. North Park, MLK Center @ 7pm [LINK]. 

The City of Long Beach wants your opinion on ways to shape the City in the future! Through the New York Rising Community Reconstruction Plan process, similar to the boardwalk visioning, the community has already spoken on resiliency measures, so this community survey focuses on the next steps forward for the City. The ideas presented are concepts in draft form at this point. Can’t attend any of the public information meetings

Visit https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/LongBeachListens to take the survey today!

 

 

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17 thoughts on “Sustainability [Comprehensive Plan Update and Local Waterfront Revitalization Program Survey & Last Meeting]”

  1. While I understand where you’re trying to go with this, I don’t know if Montauk is an accurate comparison. Montauk was a sleepy fishing village with a tight knit community. Based on my research of the last 150 years of LB history, it would never be described as Montauk was.

  2. Also, I genuinely would like to hear where your concern stems from on the topic of LB becoming “vacationland for the extremely rich.” I’m actually concerned it’s going the other way and we’re going to end up looking like Rockaway 15 years ago.

  3. I’m not saying Long Beach is like Montauk. I meant that Long Beach could be going down the same path as Montauk and really the rest of Long Island, for that matter. Middleclass communities are disappearing. They are becoming extremely rich communities that have deplorable areas near by that serve them.

  4. expensive apartments on the water, the Aqua, the building next to the Allegria, which I am hearing will go up soon.

    I am not saying we need buildings on the water for the poor. I am saying that all the new housing options aren’t exactly for middleclass.

    I am talking about the middleclass being pushed out, just like what is happening all over Long Island.

  5. Has the Aqua done well? Last I heard they were having problems selling those units but that was a while ago so I may be out of date.

    Why does the middle class need NEW housing options? I consider my household to be middle class and I bought an old house and fixed it up because I couldn’t afford a million dollar home south of Park between National and Lindell. It comes down to supply and demand and it always will.

    I can’t speak for the areas of LI that aren’t on the Atlantic since, to be completely honest, I don’t care if they fall into the Sound.

  6. I’m thinking of areas like Levittown, which should always be an area where young families buy their new home, an area for the middle class. If you drive through Levittown now you will see a ton of out of place mcmansions going for over $500,000. Why?

  7. I believe the Aqua is all sold out. The owner is going to build the new building next to the Allegria, which I heard will be 10 stories with one apartment per story. So something went right if he plans on building that.

    Middleclass: it’s not that they need new housing options. it’s more about them being chased out. There are so many communities in Nassau County which used to be Middleclass, but have gone Uppermiddle class route – probably due to lack of good jobs, taxes, etc.

    I hate to use that sustainability word all the time, but Long Beach and Long Island in general needs to be more of a place where you either work on the Island in retail or commute to the city for a higher paying job. We need actual jobs here.

  8. Anthony, the key point that you make is that we have the opportunity to say what we want Long Beach to be in 5/10/20 years via the Comprehensive Plan public meetings and survey. We need to make our preferences known.

    There will be some who say “don’t bother getting involved”, for various reasons. But heck, if we don’t have a significant portion of our population expressing their preferences, then we’ll only have ourselves to blame if the plan doesn’t represent the community’s views.

  9. Anthony, you are 100% correct we (LB & LI need jobs) but we’ve failed at drawing companies out of the city and lets face it thats haRd for us. Bklyn or LIC might be able to pull it off but LI is mostly viewed as a commuter community.

    The issue with middle class housing is that those are the locations that are going section 8, which is insane. But try and create affordable middle class housing and “those people” scream where is the “affordable housing”. Why, because “those people” don’t care about the middle class, they only care about their active voters.

  10. It is pretty sad that those who can afford the lower end of market rent are being displaced by those who are paying less and being subsidized.

    The truly wealthy have always managed to find loopholes (im not saying they dont pay their fair share), so the true financial burden of these programs falls on the middle class.

    In this case it means paying a little more for the units that havent turned section 8 and a little more in taxes to support those units that have been subsidized

  11. I don’t think you are going to see developers building new homes that are affordable to the middle class unless subsidized (ie PILOT). Land costs are too high and the numbers don’t work. That being said, I think there are a wide array of housing options for people in long beach and surrounding areas at all price points. If affording LB isn’t possible for some – there is Island Park and Oceanside which are also very nice communities. At the end of the day – supply and demand will always drive prices, as it should in a free market.

  12. You’ll have 55 section8 apartments in iStar right from opening day, and then when the landlord can’t find actual paying customers for the other 470 apartments given the rents they are asking, that number will go higher. Plenty of affordable housing in Long Beach.

  13. The idea of section 8 being affordable housing is a joke. Because it’s only affordable for those who can’t afford it because tax payers pick up the tab.

    It’s a broken system; because the cycle of poverty it creates never ends. Generation after generation continue to be on public assistance; while the costs increase in an artificial “free” market, and it gets absorbed to the tax payer.

    Even if you tried to fix it, reserved it only for those with disabilities, etc. you get called a racist by

  14. @ Anthony, let me get this straight, you think that having expensive homes and people of higher net worth both living and vacationing here in Long Beach is a bad thing? And if you had a little less money than these “extremely rich” people as you put it, and had to live is say Island Park for example, this is also a bad thing? You could be 3 to 5 stops away on a public bus (1 train stop), or a relatively short bike ride, and still enjoy everything these “rich” people had, including rental bikes, $44 million dollar boardwalk, $8 million dollar crappers, free beach movies and concerts, farmers market, etc. all the while not worrying about the $300K policeman, the $150K overtime supervisors, the potholes, the parking, etc, etc. What is the downside of this for everyone again?

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