A single family home for two families? I’m confused.

Westholme Civic Association is questioning the renderings for this structure that’s being built at 535 West Market Street: “When are two foundations not two separate structures? When they are connected at the roof line……”

11163232_398201150365291_8888717183076913843_nOh boy does that look ugly. Anyway, this lot in question was for:

Expanding Use for a sub-division into two building lots and the construction of 1 two (2) family dwelling and 1 one (1) family dwelling at 535 West Market Street, Long Beach, NY also known as Section 59, Block 21, Lots 60-62 on the Nassau
County Land and Tax Map.

It was denied, yet it looks like a ‘double house’ is allegedly being built anyway. I’m confused. Here is what the lot currently looks like:

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UPDATE: I think I figured this house out. You’re supposed to cut it out and fold:

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27 thoughts on “A single family home for two families? I’m confused.”

  1. Yea, that’s really ugly stuff, but this is the New Long Beach.

    That looks like it’s a single two family house to me. If this structure were a two-family AND a one-family it would not comply with the setback requirement due to the stupid connections.

    They probably wanted what we would call a three family.

    The architect is trying to hide the vertical ugliness by accenting the horizontal with the connecting roof line and portico.

    And you CAN blame Obama (really Congress) for this one, because it’s the new flood codes that force municipalities to accept this type of tall monstrosity into their zoning codes.

  2. Check out candidate Lomonte’s house on the 400 block of e. beech. He wanted it to the be tallest house in town! What an eyesore. Guess he didn’t give a damn about his neighbors either! But TILB!

  3. It’s a polite FU to the residents who came out against placing two homes on the double lot in question.

    Denied sub division by Zoning so look for this loophole on your narrow block soon. Unless the Developer reapplied his application?

    Height isn’t really the issue post Sandy and new FEMA flood maps.
    I haven’t seen Mr. Lamonte’s home, but can bet you dinner it isn’t the tallest.

    It’s density and Overdevelopment many wish to put on the brakes. If this property in question is going to be a one family home is the actual concern. Will one side be a complete mirror of the other? Then after ask for a variance?

    We’re supposed to be building Smarter and Safer not LB is full of Suckers and Stooges.

    Let me know Mr. Rydel when we should have our first date.

  4. I think everyone might be mis”reading” the drawings. We would need to look at the other drawings for the house, but it appears to have 3 front doors, meaning a 3 family structure and the middle section, just might be a stucco, or some type of “flat” wall finish and it really is part of a building and everyone is thinking it is just a roof connection over nothing….

  5. I looked at that property many years ago and the sq. footage was just under the amount need to build two houses. I can’t believe this monstrosity is being allowed to be built. I would think you could get a variance for a legal two family as there would be ample parking, but this structure is wrong. Good luck to the neighbors

  6. Looks to me like a two family house. There can be as many doors has they want. Since it’s one lot and one deed, it’s not two houses and can’t be subdivided and sold separately without a variance. If a third living unit is installed, that would be a violation.

    Liz, take a look at Lomonte’s place. But I’ll buy dinner. Are you good looking at least?

  7. I think I figured this house out. You’re supposed to cut it out and fold it: The roof is a little messed up, but that’s because I skipped that class. I don’t know how to fold.

  8. I’m humble, quite entertaining and curse like a sailor on leave. Are you philanthropic? We could ride around and look at heights vs. density.

    Back to subject. Look at original Zoning decision. Sub division was DENIED. If someone could continue to actually find facts on the structure that has begun construction so we don’t toss ammunition at each other or bring up politics that would be awesome.

  9. My kind of woman.

    Liz, it’s a semi-attached two family on one lot. Instead of having a party wall separating the units, it has a courtyard.

    It’s like two separate houses, but they’re connected. And they’ll always be on a single lot. One lot that can’t be subdivided. One owner.

    I need entertainment.

  10. For those with memory loss, we had a hurricane that impacted the entire island, very few homes escaped being flooded.

    The heights of residential homes (not buildings like iStar) is something you simply can’t complain about anymore, unless it is way beyond the current limit (i.e. 25′ for height)

    P.S. for all the studious types, you may want to review the code, it has only gone up by about two feet. The reason you all “think” the houses are higher is because of the higher flood plane (BFE) and NYS Freeboard requirement. Having trouble understanding that? Head to the building department or ZBA they will be more than happy to explain.

  11. You look at it, measure it and tell me he didn’t screw his neighbors. That’s genuine. It was about him. Ego. Screw everyone else. Just go look.

  12. Where is the Building department. Why is the city not enforcing the codes. They will just build it and then the city will have t approve it because they won’t make them tear it down. I drove by it today It’s framed and clear 2 very large 2 family homes.

  13. I know the house everybody is talking about. Don’t know who really/actually owns it, but I would never fault somebody for raising their house. Post-sandy world we are living in. Gotta protect your property and your wallets.

  14. It’s a 2 family house – absolutely nothing about it is outside of building codes. I actually think it is a very nice looking 2 family – very creative and ingenious design. Post Sandy very tall homes will be the norm and the preference of buyers.

  15. As they say, if you think it’s ugly, then buy it and knock it down. AN owner has the right to build an ugly as hell house, as long as it meets the codes. They may not make good neighbors, but they are holding up your property values.

    I may not think it’s pretty, but I agree with Michael. You’re sure to see more of this unless Congress reels in FEMA.

  16. I understand the reason for building housing a bit higher in LB but the powers that be allow these rules to be stretched. this “two” family is one example. another is the house on bay drive down from the rec. it will have 3 full decks and the top deck has a third floor. this is on top of a 2 car garage that has what looks like high ceilings. the legal team was dhc of course and the zba reduced the hight to a point that was still higher than the normal one. my point is that these guys come in with unrealistic plans then settle for something less but it is still above the limitations. they get what they want while the zba acts like they reduced it. just terrible.

  17. “The Zoning Board of Appeals unanimously denied a developer’s request last week to subdivide a residential property on West Market Street and build two new homes after residents blasted the proposal.”LINK

  18. Regarding the troll who obviously has something against Angelo, he wrote to me last night and asked to share his email, which is posted below. And on a side note, we are living in a post-sandy world. As residents remodel, rebuild and renovate, you are going to see taller homes. It just makes perfect sense. Angelo’s home is tall, but he also has two garages and two driveways. Be happy that he reinvested in his home and also took a few cars off the street. I am very happy when I see residents invest money in houses that they actually live in. Ok, below is Angelo’s letter:

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    It has come to my attention that “Gregory Rydel” posted a comment about my house on your blog. Allow me to provide the facts, my family was hit by Sandy much like the rest of Long Beach, I joined the NY Rising Program and began the process of drawing up plans to lift my house in January 2014. It quickly became apparent that to have usable garages (see our most recent Parking Press Release and you will know why I felt compelled to make sure I had usable garages) we would need an additional 2’7″ of height, therefore, resulting in my request to the Long Beach ZBA for a variance. As a sitting member of the ZBA, at the time of my application, I discussed the matter with the Long Beach Corporation Counsel to make sure my hearing was conducted with the utmost in transparency and I was not giving any special treatment.

    I would like to make it very clear, that a variance of this nature is something that is not out of character and quite ordinary for the ZBA, especially in this age of lifting our homes. There was no other means to address this matter, absent fully redesigning and re-constructing my existing roof, which was only 15 years old and in perfectly fine condition, thereby adding significant cost to the price of this house lift. I have attached a picture of my plans, which will clearly validate that my home is a mere 2’7″ above the 25′ height limit set in place by the City of Long Beach Zoning Code of Ordinance (please reference the vertical line with hash marks indicating 27’7″). As part of my application I submitted dozens of examples of pre-existing homes in the area that had similar height to my proposed home and if you look on my block we actually have two that are very close to the current height of my house. Simply put, taller homes are the new norm in our post Sandy world.

    Back to “Gregory Rydel”, I never once indicated I wished to have the “tallest house in town”. That is a boldface lie but again par for the course in Long Beach politics. I am not sure how I “screwed my neighbors”, since I sent them all personal letters (which is above and beyond the Zoning Applications requirements) and even encouraged them to come and discuss the project with me if anyone had any concerns.

    I lifted my home, as I encourage many others to do, for the following reasons:

    • Bring my home into compliance and be above the BFE (Base Flood Elevation) with NYS freeboard requirement
    • Stave off significantly increasing flood insurance rates
    • Prevent having to re-live the trauma and headaches of Sandy, when the next hurricane rolls in

    I assume that by trying to be forthright this letter will be met with many slanderous posts below, by anonymous people, who have never met me and are simply looking to besmirch my name in advance of my bid for Long Beach City Council.

    Respectfully,

    Angelo Lomonte, Candidate for Long Beach City Council 2015

  19. I was talking about the houses on the 500 block of west market. the trashing of the poor soul running for office in this town i want no part of.

  20. I was talking about the 2 very large 2 families being built on the 500 block of west market. Who is going to stop them? They are building them anyway – then the building dept will give them the co’s and the zoning board is useless. As far as the poor soul running for office in this town – what did you expect? Politics in this town is a circus side show. LOL

  21. Good job Angelo!

    Just because he needed a variance to build higher than the legal limit doesn’t me he did anything wrong. These attacks against Angelo are unfair. What he did in building a higher home was totally fair and he receives the approval of the Zoning Board of Appeals. Remember in November!

  22. Finally drove by those tow houses being built on one lot on West Market. Any update on this madness? A connected roof does not make it one home! Please fill me in if you have any updates!

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