Neighborhood Enforcement Traffic Zones [Reader Proposal]

The following idea was proposed by reader Trying To Make Sense, who is curious to see what you all think of Neighborhood Enforcement Traffic Zones (Safety NETZ). Take the poll at the end when you’re done reading this idea.

How would you all like our Assemblyman to support home rule legislation applicable to all NYS Munis to improve road safety in neighborhoods, let’s call it Safety NETZ (Neighborhood Enforcement Traffic Zones) legislation.

It begins with local munis being empowered to create Safety NETZ in residential neighborhoods within their villages/towns/cities. These would be areas in residential neighborhoods where clear signage announces that fines and points will be drastically increased for moving violations, not dissimilar from construction zones we encounter with such signage on NYS highways.

The difference, in order to incentivize enforcement, would be to allow participating munis or their police departments to keep the extra fine $ for local use. Hell, maybe even allow speed cameras in locations or moveable locations so that motorists who speed understand that neighborhood safety, the wellbeing of our children, sisters, fathers, and neighbor, our loved ones, is non negotiable. No gotcha cameras like the one that was on Lido Blvd, just street locations in NETZ where people live and play. Everyone forewarned, no tolerance clearly defined. Of course there would be typical leeway of 9 mph or so up to 34 mph so as not to transform the average citizen into a lawbreaker.

Sanity, safety, incentive and revenues I say respectfully. What say you. Take the poll and let us know!

Would you be in favor of Neighborhood Enforcement Traffic Zones?



31 Replies to “Neighborhood Enforcement Traffic Zones [Reader Proposal]”

  1. Yes, having seen the way people drive down neighborhood streets at any given time is a horror. kids can’t play ball in front of their homes and be safe. Especially during the summer months. speeders down side streets are common all day. dangerous..god idea

  2. I guess I would be okay with upping the fines to encourage enforcement, but increasing points can be a slippery slope. Would I want my neighbor to get double points and lose his license because a police force with incentive decided he didn’t pause long enough at the stop sign?

    Cameras just feel wrong. I’ve never seen them implemented in a way that didn’t feel predatory. Likely too expensive to use unless there’s some kind of house advantage. Also it feels wrong without a human element. (Knock on wood) I’ve never gotten a camera ticket, but I imagine it wouldn’t sit well with me getting a note in the mail a week after the alleged infraction.

  3. Love the dialogue TTSM has sparked. Lots of policy stuff I have to throw at you when I have more time (on break right now). I just need to quickly add that speed enforcement is great but not as effective at curbing behavior IF the DMV and the justice system let’s speeders & negligent drivers off the hook. That is a massive component attached to enforcement that is too often overlooked.

    And speaking of behavior, smarter engineering is possibly more effective at creating safer environments (defined as places with zero fatalities, zero injuries) than enforcement simply because we still have humans operating motor vehicles (driveless cars- now that is a nifty conversation). You can curb some behavior thru enforcement but ultimately humans make errors and street design needs to allow space for that.

    Something as simple, aesthetically pleasing, and cheap to implement as a bump-out (aka bulbouts, curb-extensions) is not a complex engineering feat yet can drastically change an intersection.

    More later…

    Coffee this weekend TTMS? Long overdue! I havent seen you since i came back from DC!!

  4. I think it’s a great idea. Frank makes a good point. How about a compromise on the pause? Stiff escalating fines with points escalating at the third pause. No compromise if your neighbor blows the sign. Anyone who drives like that, should lose the privilege of having a drivers license. It’s not a right. Announce the zones and the consequences way in advance, and there is no excuse for bad behavior.

    Now for the speed…According to” 20 IS Plenty” (Google it)

    A person getting hit by a car at 40 MPH has a 70% chance of being killed…..

    While a person getting hit at 20 MPH has a 95% chance of survival.

    I don’t know the numbers in between 20 and 40. However when the issue is life and death, 20 MPH with no more than 5 MPH leeway is the way to go.

    Once again, Sense makes sense.

    “Councilman Sense.” I like the ring.

  5. People drive like morons with no regard for anything but their own lead foot. Something needs to be done, Something permanent. Since they took away the school zone cameras barely anyone adheres to the limit or the 10 mile above leeway. Speed bumps would work better than anything in a slow neighborhood situation. Lose one muffler to one of those and see how fast people slow down. I voted yes, I have to say I don’t run lights like I used to after getting a few red light tickets and after one school zone ticket I was much more aware as well.

  6. Interestingly enough there is no consensus among the comments as to how much leeway should be built into the enforcement. This leads me to the conclusion we are starting off disregarding the speed limit. Anyone else see the problem?

  7. Its all about the money, not safety, there was no safety crisis in Long Beach from cars doing the old 35/30 limits, its a manufactured issue. Give LB access to money from fines, and the administration running the City will turn Long Beach into Waldo Florida, the famous speed trap town that operated a big part of their municipal budget on traffic fines from speed limits that were set artificially low to encourage ticket generation. They will gladly use the fines collected from residents to fund their patronage operations, while residents pay thousands more in auto insurance surcharges to go along with the massive homeowners and flood insurance increases they are facing after Sandy. A 30MPH speed limit on Park might make sense from Lafeyette to Monroe, but certainly not west or east of those sections. That’s where the speed traps will be setup. Once LB residents see those going in, even more of them will divert to the side streets to avoid it – so this plan will have the reverse effect from the stated goal of “moving more people to Park Street”. Drive around town, do you see anyone going slower on the side streets? No, there was nothing wrong with the old 30MPH speed limit that we had for decades here. People who do 40 or 50, were already breaking the law, the lower limit has no effect on them. The lower limit simply makes a offender out of everyone else.

  8. “there was no safety crisis in Long Beach from cars doing the old 35/30 limits”

    yes there was and the stats prove there was not just a crisis but a full blown epidemic.

  9. Anthony, do you want to go ahead and publish the Crash Map this weekend? I have a couple other people looking to write on it but want to get it released here first.

  10. This proposal is ridiculous because every small village will set up there own revenue collection system just like a 1950’s southern speed trap. Wake up. The people pushing these homerule ideas are Commissars from the progressive movement who want enact their own version of Stalingrad. Its away of promoting a leftist version of urban utopia. These Commissars don’t want you living in a suburban community. They want you to live in commu ist style housing blocks with the section 8 welfare crowd so you dont have an advantage over them. Wake up and anzlyze whats being promoted here. The cameras will, soon be attached to your body. We dont have a traffic accident problem here. What we have is a distraction from the stealing of our tax money by these leftists who redistribute it to the warrior folt soldiers.

  11. Why dont you just get rid of cars all together and then there would be a 100 % chance of survival. Then we can push ourselves along the streets like you do in a wheelchair. And we can quit our jobs outside of Long Beach and all get LB no show civil service jobs with the city and school district. Of course you never considered that there are absolutely no other risks in life worth penalizing people for with a blanket of tickets, right? Just keep issuing tikets to cover the wasteful spending by the politicians to pay for all the hacks on the payroll and all tbe welfare spending by the democrackheads!

    Why is it that the leftist democrackheads want to give drivers licenses to illegal aliens? Do you think we will get quality drivers from this pool? Will they have insurance ? No just keep hitting up the gullible American for the money.

  12. If I remember correctly it was a highly trained district school bus driver driving at a slow speed that killed a bicyclist in recent years. There is no crisis in Long Beach. The crisis is that illegals are allowed to drive in this country with impunity and the driver’s license tests have been dumbed down to allow anyone to get in a car. Change that part first before anything else.

  13. We have heroin overdoses occuring like clockwork here and you think driving is the problem? Get the priorities in order. More peolle have died or been seriously hurt by illegal drug overdoses here in Long Beach.

  14. Really ? Stats show drug overdoses killkng more people in Long Beach. Wasnt a school bus driving slow involved with kiling someone in the last couple of years?

  15. This has nothing to do with politics.

    If you are going to sling insults and provide irrational arguments about one form of death/injury being more of a priority to address than another form of death/injury then you will not be any part of this conversation. Pissing on people trying to save lives should not be tolerated.

  16. Thx for asking Eric. It was a mapping of all Fire Department calls to car crashes between 2009-2014. It was a buttload of hours, coffee, wine and headaches retrieving and managing the data and mapping but worth it. A few surprises about hotspots – Beech Street is a shit show for cyclists , the LIRR on the taxi company side is tops for pedestrians. There are clear patterns at some intersections of repeated crashes. Magnolia is horrid and that concerns me with the upcoming skatepark increasing the amount of pedestrians.

    I’d like to get police reports via LexisNexis to dig deeper into age and gender for patterns. I’ve thought about crowdfunding access to that database. Back to your question, I’m going to have Anthony release the map for May (National Bike Month) and I have to give props to the FD for being uber awesome about how they manage their dispatch logs.

  17. Hyperbole. I lived in the West End a long time. This was not a problem, and it would be really tough to get up to those speeds between lights, traffic, people looking for parking, etc.

  18. 50 mph is not an exaggeration at all. Or damn close to it.
    I too lived in WE for many years near the Beach Bagel and the cars racing along Beech St. In both directions was a major problem. The police would sit adjacent to the bus turn around on Nevada Ave with the speeding cars visible only a few feet away and do nothing.
    I frequently asked about enforcement and was met with shrugs and a somewhat puzzled look. Meanwhile cars were also blasting along Nevada Ave , right next us.
    When I enquired about radar guns one cop told me he had never seen one and didn’t believe anyone was trained in their use.
    Speed bumps were finally installed on Neveda which slowed things a little but not completely.
    If you want to quibble about the number of cars that actually attain 50 mph thats your prerogative but you’re detracting from the real issue which is speeding well in excess of the speed limit and a total lack of enforcement by the LBPD.

  19. Without enforcement dropping the speed limits does nothing. It is a fell good measure but if they wanted real safety enforce the laws on the books now. People would very quickly get the message and the speed limits would not be ignored.

  20. However Mein LB, apparently manpower demands make active enforcement by sector cars difficult, thus the idea of speed cameras. Do note that that this Safety NETZ idea would only allow double fines when the moving violation was handled by a police officer complainant. The speed cameras would, like red light cams, only fine the owner of the car. Sam, the NETZ would only be in residential neighborhoods, places where I believe we can all agree, the speed limit of 25 is more than adequate. Given that research shows there is significant improvement in injury outcomes at lower speeds ( reference Boodman), I can’t imagine a better place to require speed compliance than our residential streets. Yes, no crisis Sam, but recognizing the compliance accomplished by cameras on Lido Blvd., wouldn’t a it be sensible to achieve such compliance where we live our daily lives, ride our bikes, back out of driveways, have our kids play? Do we need a tragedy, a death, to require the basic decency of driving lawfully in neighborhoods of family and friends before we act, or do we think about ways to be proactive, so that when the accident happens, the likelihood of death is lessened? No Samsung, municipalities would have to adhere to state laws regarding allowable speed limits, there would be leeway, but most important, with a few moveable speed cameras provided by competitive bids, and clear signage announcing their use in a Neighborhood Enforcement Traffic Zone, rather than a gotcha, there would be widespread awareness, compliance, and an opportunity to deal with those miscreants who fly down our neighborhood streets. Beachguy is right: ” the real issue is speeding well in excess of the speed limit and a total lack of enforcement”. Frank, the goal is not to be predatory, just effective, thus the clear signage and the all important fact that munis would choose to participate and therefore initiate the discussion at the local level. This discussion could include all aspects of implementation including criteria for camera placements that conform to the strict guidelines of the State law. I, Samsung, have at least as much concern as you do about government overreach, so let’s chill that Commissar nonsense as we all acknowledge that our “privacy” is not guaranteed in our use of public streets, nor should it be, when we take the responsibility involved in the priviledge of sharing the road with our fellow citizens, other drivers, bicyclists, pedestrians and neighbors.

  21. TTMS, well said. Safety is so important. The new rules can be life-saving, even if not forcefully enforced by the PD. The complaints against the new rules are minor when compared with the benefits of increased safety.

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